Election

[Goldenpony]

McCain had my vote until he picked Palin, now I'm not sure. I'm beginning to lean toward Obama or Bob Barr. :confused:

[Waffles]

Wow, that really confuses me. Independents confuse me. I'm not sure how people can not know where they stand on issues. Obama and McCain are similar on only two issues, immigration and global warming.

What is it about Palin you don't like?

[DeckerEnt]

I think Palin brings a conservative vibe to the ticket. Everyone knows McCain's not the most conservative or the most republican but Palin made me want to vote this year.
Keith

[Mista Bone]

Palintology?

[NaomiDstangLvr]

Yeah I'm really torn right now about who to vote for! I was totally for McCain, and against Obama, but from things I've read and heard, maybe he wouldn't be too bad. I'm just really confused right now. I want to get more info on both of them...


BTW my husband works at the Ridge Target and he saw Obama shopping there last week! He was two check lanes up from him! I didn't believe him when he first told me, I was like "what was he buying, condoms or something?" Lol!

[Waffles]

This isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but I just can't seem to understand how people cannot grasp the strategy of the socialist Democrats.

"A government that robs Peter to pay for Paul can always depend on the support of Paul" - George Bernard Shaw

Barrack "Robin Hood" Obama keeps telling the voters that he's going to take money from "rich people" and "big business" and give it to them. Do they realize what they're saying? Honestly, are people okay with the immorality of this? I'm not rich. I'm one of those people Obama says he's giving a tax break by overtaxing the "rich."

It's not the governments job to provide healthcare, welfare, education, bail out businesses, bail out individuals. I'm appalled by the questions people ask the canidates, and even more appalled at the answers. "What is government going do to help.... ?" The answer should be this : "NOTHING! The government is going to get out of your lives and your business. It's going to instead create an atmosphere that is conducive to success and growth and let the people stand up on their own!"

Even if you don't agree with that, simply ask yourself what the government does well. One thing : collecting taxes. Every other job government has is a catasprophe. Who hires a contractor to paint their house, and when they do a terrible job for ten times too much money gives him a contract to roof their house too? I just don't understand what people are thinking.

[Pops Fun]

:wstupid: I can't vote for Obama, tax cuts for 95% of the people??? What is the percentage of people on welfare, they must be getting a tax break also... wait they don't pay taxes!!
Free health care, Doesn't work in England so well!! Talked to a guy that was retiring over there about a 2 years ago. (they do the retirement pretty nice the last year or is it 6 months is 3 days a week) Took him a week to get in to see the Doc, then 3 days to get his prescription, three days!!! It takes us minutes!!!! People come here from Canada for operations because they are so backed up there!!
Socialized medicine doesn't work!!
The "poor" people get better care than this guy got... you have the sniffles, want a pregnancy test, go to the emergency room... yes you wait a few hours, leave with the results and medicine. My wife works in an emergency room, they come in for everything. Could it be better, oh yeah!! Preventive care is much better!! Do I have the answer.... Oh No!!

I would vote libertarian but they don't have a snowballs chance in .....
read my signature.

[Sharad]

McCain had my vote until he picked Palin, now I'm not sure. I'm beginning to lean toward Obama or Bob Barr. :confused:

So you WERE against tax increases, excessive gun control, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayer, gay marriage, and weakened national security... then McCain picked a CONSERVATIVE running mate with an 80-something percent approval rating, and NOW you think you might be FOR higher taxes, excessive gun control, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayer, gay marriage, weakened national security... basically SOCIALISM.

Hmmm... I see.

Obviously, I'm kidding around here and I hope you don't take it like I'm picking on you... but what I'm saying is, the candidates are BLACK AND WHITE (both literally and figuratively) It's hard to imagine ANY scenario where a person that knows where both candidates stand on the issues could be ambivalent.

If you don't want to look into the difference between the two, just trust me, McCain is better for the country. Not ideal, mind you, but B. Hussein Obama would be disastrous when teamed up with the currently democratic congress.

[DeckerEnt]

Well said!!!
Keith

[mach_u]

So you WERE against tax increases, excessive gun control, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayer, gay marriage, and weakened national security... then McCain picked a CONSERVATIVE running mate with an 80-something percent approval rating, and NOW you think you might be FOR higher taxes, excessive gun control, abortion on demand paid for by the taxpayer, gay marriage, weakened national security... basically SOCIALISM.
Couldn't agree more. The answer is extremely clear! I can't figure out for the life of me why there are people confused about Palin as a choice. She has done a darn fine job in Alaska, without question and is the best choice out of every one of the candidates for actually bringing some reform into Government. I just wish she had a chance @ running for the big seat. :bigthumb

[PONYGRL]

:wstupid: I can't vote for Obama, tax cuts for 95% of the people??? What is the percentage of people on welfare, they must be getting a tax break also... wait they don't pay taxes!!

Yeah, I never really looked at it from that perspective. That is one thing in our country that really pisses me off, the fact that some people who get welfare are better off than some of us who work every single day...

They get everything handed to them and a lot of them are perfectly capable of working.... then they choose to be irresponsible and we are taking care of their kids, paying for their education, free childcare, food, housing paid for by the gov't, which again, some is nicer than people who have full-time jobs and can't even make ends meet. GRRR IT PISSES ME OFF!! I would rather give $20 bucks to a bum downtown who has a disability and is not capable of working versus giving it to a normal person, I will not ever help out someone who is a loser and irresponsible, capable of working and gets everything handed to them instead..... trust me i know, its a prime example of my boyfriends sister w/2 kids in Florence KY. Except they even have a car :confused:

If they get a tax break too it will be a true walk in the park.

But I guess you gotta pick your battles, there are major pros and cons for both candidates.... and it is stressful!

[DeckerEnt]

Couldn't agree more. The answer is extremely clear! I can't figure out for the life of me why there are people confused about Palin as a choice. She has done a darn fine job in Alaska, without question and is the best choice out of every one of the candidates for actually bringing some reform into Government. I just wish she had a chance @ running for the big seat. :bigthumb

What do you think the ticket will be in 4 years? Palin and whoever FTW!!!!!
Keith

[mach_u]

What do you think the ticket will be in 4 years? Palin and whoever FTW!!!!!
Keith
I can only hope! :D

[mach_u]

Yeah, I never really looked at it from that perspective. That is one thing in our country that really pisses me off, the fact that some people who get welfare are better off than some of us who work every single day...

They get everything handed to them and a lot of them are perfectly capable of working.... then they choose to be irresponsible and we are taking care of their kids, paying for their education, free childcare, food, housing paid for by the gov't, which again, some is nicer than people who have full-time jobs and can't even make ends meet. GRRR IT PISSES ME OFF!! I would rather give $20 bucks to a bum downtown who has a disability and is not capable of working versus giving it to a normal person, I will not ever help out someone who is a loser and irresponsible, capable of working and gets everything handed to them instead..... trust me i know, its a prime example of my boyfriends sister w/2 kids in Florence KY. Except they even have a car :confused:

If they get a tax break too it will be a true walk in the park.

But I guess you gotta pick your battles, there are major pros and cons for both candidates.... and it is stressful!
:lol: Don't even get me started on this! I used to work 3 jobs for the longest time. One of which was working @ O'Charley's as a server and eventually a food runner. A good majority of the girls working there had a kid or two, from whoring around. Most of them picked Restaurant work because they could declare next to nothing in income as most of it was cash and look like they were living at the poverty level. Several had government assisted condo's, HUGE tax returns and used most all of the cash they received to get completely hammered drunk every other night. Where as I worked 60+ hours a week, may have gone out on the weekend, ended up about breaking even on taxes and have had a nice mortgage I have paid for, with no breaks. I simply struggle to see how those girls should get an even larger handout than they already have??? :rolleyes:

[Waffles]

But I guess you gotta pick your battles, there are major pros and cons for both candidates.... and it is stressful!

Really? What're Obama's pros? They must be the best kept secret EVER :lol:

[02mingryGT]

Really? What're Obama's pros? They must be the best kept secret EVER :lol:

Yeah the only one I can think of is they say he's better than Bush? I think people should look up the meaning of "socialist" and then decide if that's what they want.

[Waffles]

The whole thing is, he wouldn't be better than Bush. Bush screwed some stuff up, but all in all he's been a pretty good president. He cut taxes and stimulated the economy. He's kept us safe for the last 7 years. He signed the partial birth abortion ban into law (although thwarted by an actist, leftist judge).

[NaomiDstangLvr]

:lol: Don't even get me started on this! I used to work 3 jobs for the longest time. One of which was working @ O'Charley's as a server and eventually a food runner. A good majority of the girls working there had a kid or two, from whoring around. Most of them picked Restaurant work because they could declare next to nothing in income as most of it was cash and look like they were living at the poverty level. Several had government assisted condo's, HUGE tax returns and used most all of the cash they received to get completely hammered drunk every other night. Where as I worked 60+ hours a week, may have gone out on the weekend, ended up about breaking even on taxes and have had a nice mortgage I have paid for, with no breaks. I simply struggle to see how those girls should get an even larger handout than they already have??? :rolleyes:
That's sad, because they ruin it for others who actually need welfare. My mother is on it, she's unable to work due to her physical and mental situation. She's been denied multiple times for disability which boggles my mind! Her and my father divorced last year after 26 years of marriage, now she gets child support for my 14 year old sister.

[NaomiDstangLvr]

The whole thing is, he wouldn't be better than Bush. Bush screwed some stuff up, but all in all he's been a pretty good president. He cut taxes and stimulated the economy. He's kept us safe for the last 7 years. He signed the partial birth abortion ban into law (although thwarted by an actist, leftist judge).
That partial birth is just hideous! I can't believe some people are ok with it! :mad:

[Black92LX]

Yeah the only one I can think of is they say he's better than Bush? I think people should look up the meaning of "socialist" and then decide if that's what they want.

he's a Marxist not a Socialist.

[Waffles]

That partial birth is just hideous! I can't believe some people are ok with it! :mad:

Well, if that's hideous... you should know that Obama supports infanticide. See, sometimes earlier term abortions don't go properly and the baby is actually delivered viable.

"As originally proposed, the 2003 state bill, SB 1082, sought to define the term "born-alive infant" as any infant, even one born as the result of an unsuccessful abortion, that shows vital signs separate from its mother. The bill would have established that infants thus defined were humans with legal rights. It never made it to the floor; it was voted down by the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired."

[NaomiDstangLvr]

I knew he was for abortion and I wasn't for sure if he was for the partial abortion. So he is?

[Waffles]

Naomi, this isn't just partial birth abortion. Obama supports killing babies that HAVE ALREADY BEEN BORN. Sometimes abortions aren't successful and the baby isn't killed before it's birthed. Sometimes the baby is born alive in spite of the abortion attempt. In this case, Obama supports killing the live, viable, sometimes crying babies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlS0_rArks&feature=related

[04 Venom]

Would you guys stop with the drama queen routine. Take a deep breath and exhale. This is not the end of Western civilization.

[nskaats]

http://www.stop-obama.info/

Interesting

[BIGRED Z]

Well, I hate to say it, but I think it's leaning toward oBAMA.

BUT....if he does make it into the white house, I think the crazies in the pointy hats will bring a quick end to him. I don't see him surviving his first term. :eek: Granted I don't want him running the country, but I don't wish him dead either.

Guess we'll see.

[Waffles]

Whew... I sure hope you're right.

[Black92LX]

Would you guys stop with the drama queen routine. Take a deep breath and exhale. This is not the end of Western civilization.

Just too big of a leap towards it for the likes of me


Well, I hate to say it, but I think it's leaning toward oBAMA.

BUT....if he does make it into the white house, I think the crazies in the pointy hats will bring a quick end to him. I don't see him surviving his first term. Granted I don't want him running the country, but I don't wish him dead either.

Guess we'll see.

That's just the polls. He won't win.McCain will win by a larger margin than expected. Not as much as I would like but he will win in the end.

The dynamics of this election are like no other we have ever had and "polling" will not be as accurate as it is in the past.

[04 Venom]

That's just the polls. He won't win.McCain will win by a larger margin than expected. Not as much as I would like but he will win in the end.

The dynamics of this election are like no other we have ever had and "polling" will not be as accurate as it is in the past.

That goes beyond wishful thinking to the point of what planet have you come from. The only thing that can turn this around is a HUGE error by Obama. The Bradley Effect will reduce Obama's margin of victory somewhat, but he will have well over 300 electoral votes, as much as 339.

[facemelter71]

Had to bring this back up.
http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47439

[Sharad]

That goes beyond wishful thinking to the point of what planet have you come from. The only thing that can turn this around is a HUGE error by Obama. The Bradley Effect will reduce Obama's margin of victory somewhat, but he will have well over 300 electoral votes, as much as 339.

I'd bet against that. The exit polls also said that kerry won in '04. That's the EXIT polls, not cnn or msnbc a month out.

[Waffles]

Anyone think there will be the riots some people have predicted if McCain does win?

[04 Venom]

I'd bet against that. The exit polls also said that kerry won in '04. That's the EXIT polls, not cnn or msnbc a month out.

What's different this time is the prospect of a lengthy recession; a deeply unpopular incumbent; and, for the first time a huge money advantage for the Democrats. Wishful thinking will not change those factors. Only Obama can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory during the next 19 days, which is very unlikely. Like him or not, Obama has a better organization than McCain and has run a very smart campaign. It's not just Obama; any of the Democrats running in the primary, except Edwards, would have beat McCain under the present circumstances. What everyone seems to forget is that SW Ohio and Northern KY is not in any way representative of the US voting patterns. McCain has lost significant ground with the independent voters since the Republican convention.

As I stated in a post a couple weeks ago, he made 3 huge blunders: picking Palin (a flop with every demographic group other than conservative Republicans); "suspending" his campaign to solve the fiscal meltdown; and, relying on negative ads to do what Bush did to Kerry in 2004 with the Swift Boat ads.

The best thing McCain can do at this point is to try to reduce the losses the Republicans will face in the Senate and House, by changing adopting a "high road" campaign and focus on the economy. It's over for him and he knows it. Today, his campaign announced that they are pulling their ads in Maine and Wisconsin. He will probably do the same in Pennsylvania and Virginia soon.

[02mingryGT]

I think Obama's interaction with Joe the plumber should give McCain a boost.

[DSSKing68]

That goes beyond wishful thinking to the point of what planet have you come from. The only thing that can turn this around is a HUGE error by Obama. The Bradley Effect will reduce Obama's margin of victory somewhat, but he will have well over 300 electoral votes, as much as 339.


Let me guess who you are supporting.....:confused:

If you believe the poll numbers the Obama press are running, he has it in the bag. Truth is, he can't break 48%. Dumbocrats cannot win at 48%. Look at history. He needs 50% to win in the polls and he will never see that.

[04 Venom]

Let me guess who you are supporting.....:confused:


If you believe the poll numbers the Obama press are running, he has it in the bag. Truth is, he can't break 48%. Dumbocrats cannot win at 48%. Look at history. He needs 50% to win in the polls and he will never see that.

Wrong on the first question. Wrong again on the second.

[BIGHONKEY]

I vote for Honkeys, sorry Donkeys. :)

my new slogan

[04 Venom]

I vote for Honkeys, sorry Donkeys. :)

my new slogan

:lol:

[Mike]

Fuck Obama.

[BIGHONKEY]

Fuck Obama.

I'd rather not. :)

[nskaats]

Fuck Obama.

Truth. It takes a seriously unintelligent fucking drone to vote for this anti-white, anti-american, racist asshole!

[Mike]

Truth. It takes a seriously unintelligent fucking drone to vote for this anti-white, anti-american, racist asshole!

Thats the troof.

[Black92LX]

What's different this time is the prospect of a lengthy recession; a deeply unpopular incumbent; and, for the first time a huge money advantage for the Democrats. Wishful thinking will not change those factors. Only Obama can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory during the next 19 days, which is very unlikely. Like him or not, Obama has a better organization than McCain and has run a very smart campaign. It's not just Obama; any of the Democrats running in the primary, except Edwards, would have beat McCain under the present circumstances. What everyone seems to forget is that SW Ohio and Northern KY is not in any way representative of the US voting patterns. McCain has lost significant ground with the independent voters since the Republican convention.

As I stated in a post a couple weeks ago, he made 3 huge blunders: picking Palin (a flop with every demographic group other than conservative Republicans); "suspending" his campaign to solve the fiscal meltdown; and, relying on negative ads to do what Bush did to Kerry in 2004 with the Swift Boat ads.

The best thing McCain can do at this point is to try to reduce the losses the Republicans will face in the Senate and House, by changing adopting a "high road" campaign and focus on the economy. It's over for him and he knows it. Today, his campaign announced that they are pulling their ads in Maine and Wisconsin. He will probably do the same in Pennsylvania and Virginia soon.

You are forgetting a huge factor.
Obama is Black. Well half black.
There is an extremely large group of people in this country who are just not ready to vote for a black person to be president no matter who it was running.
The polls are not going to show this factor when asked even the most racist of people will claim they are not and would not tell the truth.
But when it comes down to just them in that booth and they push the button it's a different ball game.

Call it racist, call it the "bubba" vote, call it what you may it is going to play a very large roll in this election.
But same goes for the other side. There are many many folks that are voting for him strictly because he is black.

Like I said before McCain has this election won not by much or really not by his won doing.
Trust me there are plenty of people I would much rather vote for than McCain. But sadly it's far better then the other option.

And yes I do think we will see acts of violence and people destroying their own communities and making a free for all to get some free Nikes when McCain wins.

[nskaats]

You are forgetting a huge factor.
Obama is Black.
There are many many folks that are voting for him strictly because he is black.


The beauty of this is the ignorance behind it. People are voting for him because he's black...little do they know he's the "wrong kind" of black. He's not the "african-american" descendent of slaves that our ghetto friends think he is. He's comes from islamic slave owning ancestors. That's what I find most amusing. All this "he's one of us" bull shit I hear all day at work from the brothas and sistas is hilarious. They have no idea his ancestors were slave owners just like the ancestors of "the man" (read: whitey) were.



And yes I do think we will see acts of violence and people destroying their own communities and making a free for all to get some free Nikes when McCain wins.

That's even better. Let the ignorant asses tear up their own shit. It beats tearing up my neighborhood.

[04 Venom]

You are forgetting a huge factor.
Obama is Black. Well half black.
There is an extremely large group of people in this country who are just not ready to vote for a black person to be president no matter who it was running.
The polls are not going to show this factor when asked even the most racist of people will claim they are not and would not tell the truth.
But when it comes down to just them in that booth and they push the button it's a different ball game.

Call it racist, call it the "bubba" vote, call it what you may it is going to play a very large roll in this election.
But same goes for the other side. There are many many folks that are voting for him strictly because he is black.

Like I said before McCain has this election won not by much or really not by his won doing.
Trust me there are plenty of people I would much rather vote for than McCain. But sadly it's far better then the other option.

And yes I do think we will see acts of violence and people destroying their own communities and making a free for all to get some free Nikes when McCain wins.

No I didn't forget the Bradley effect, and I expect the actual results will be a few to several points below the polls. What overrides the Bradley effect, IMO, is the state of the economy. That fear seems to counteract the fact that some people will not vote for him because of his race.

I also agree that there are far more voters that will vote against because he is black, than for him for that reason. If this election ocurred in a context of good economic times, it could be an entirely different result.

All Obama has to do is carry one more major state than Kerry and Obama is ahead or even in all the toss-up states, except one. If you read the deeper polling data, Obama is viewed more positively in every rating factor, including leadership qualities. If the Bradley effect was present, you would find contradictory data in some of the personal qualities. It hasn't shown up.

As I said before, unless there is some major gamechanger for McCain or against Obama, it seems nearly impossible for McCain can get close to 270 electoral votes.

Some of the right-wing websites are suggesting that an Obama win may be better for their party for the next 4 years given the huge problems that the next President will have to deal with.

[Goldenpony]

I think Obama's interaction with Joe the plumber should give McCain a boost.

Not necessarily. The guy's a bum. Not only doesn't he even have a plumbing license, he has a lien on him from the State of Ohio for failure to pay his taxes.

[Goldenpony]

Wrong on the first question. Wrong again on the second.


Now look at the electoral votes.

[Waffles]

...he has a lien on him from the State of Ohio for failure to pay his taxes.

That doesn't make him a bum. It makes him just like a lot of small businesses out there that have trouble paying the taxes they already have to pay. Now Obama wants to fuck him even harder by raising his already exhorbitant taxes.

[Waffles]

You are forgetting a huge factor.
Obama is Black. Well half black.
There is an extremely large group of people in this country who are just not ready to vote for a black person to be president no matter who it was running.
The polls are not going to show this factor when asked even the most racist of people will claim they are not and would not tell the truth.
But when it comes down to just them in that booth and they push the button it's a different ball game.

Call it racist, call it the "bubba" vote, call it what you may it is going to play a very large roll in this election.
But same goes for the other side. There are many many folks that are voting for him strictly because he is black.

Like I said before McCain has this election won not by much or really not by his won doing.
Trust me there are plenty of people I would much rather vote for than McCain. But sadly it's far better then the other option.

And yes I do think we will see acts of violence and people destroying their own communities and making a free for all to get some free Nikes when McCain wins.

It's not just Whitey.

"For the nation and for black people, the first black president should be the caliber of a Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama is not. Barack Obama has charisma and charm but in terms of character, values and understanding, he is no Jackie Robinson. By now, many Americans have heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Obama's minister and spiritual counselor. There's no way that Obama could have been a 20-year member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and not been aware of his statements. " - Walter E. Williams (http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/03/26/is_obama_ready_for_america)

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/images/williams2.jpg

[04 Venom]

That doesn't make him a bum.

No, but it shows the ineptness of McCain's campaign by injecting him into the campaign without checking the circumstances. It allowed Obama to point out that Joe the Plumber gets a tax cut under his plan, which was picked up by the media. Unbelievable.

This was a toss-up election a month ago and McCain has made it nearly impossible for him to win. If McCain wins all of the six toss-up states, Obama still wins in the electoral college with 277.

[02mingryGT]

No, but it shows the ineptness of McCain's campaign by injecting him into the campaign without checking the circumstances. It allowed Obama to point out that Joe the Plumber gets a tax cut under his plan, which was picked up by the media. Unbelievable.

This was a toss-up election a month ago and McCain has made it nearly impossible for him to win. If McCain wins all of the six toss-up states, Obama still wins in the electoral college with 277.

No it's Obama's campaign trying to drown out the overlying issue. Obama is going to take your money if your successful and give it to someone who isn't. Wealth redistribution. That's the issue.

[02mingryGT]

Why I'm voting Democrat:

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official
language in America.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $5 for a gallon of gas than
allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America (this to save a sea
gull who keep defecating on my car)

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job
of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I
know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll
think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it
will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will
disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a
windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as
long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not
be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give
the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can
redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing
them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my
family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to
911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas
are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are
just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals
should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe
element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not
sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services,
education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a
better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for
that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've
decided to marry my horse.