kevin1989s car trouble.

[Kevin1989]

Okay i will start from the begining and tell you everything that has happend or occured from day 1 that way everyone knows as much as i do.

Day 1 i go for a ride. drive the car fine, drive the car home all fine didnt beat on it ONCE park it in the driveway. buddies come over a little while later. i start it up, cloud of white smoke, then its gone.

first week. I get it all taged make it legal and look for any excuse to drive it, all is well and good. it would smoke a little on the start up always white smoke. didnt really think anything of it.

Later that week i drive to middle town to take some pictures, getting off the highway it starts getting hot. i turned and got some air going through it and it starts cooling but it running a bit warmer than what it did for the past 3 days of driving. i drive it back still gets warm upon leaving highway.

A few days later i take it to dawson to change the T stat thinking thats the problem, i check the oil after it sat for about 10 mins and there is nothing on the dip stick. at this poing im like WTF i let that go i go ahead and change the oil, do the T stat and all is good i drive it to kilkare, all good, back from kilkare i get off the highway temp goes up. i shut it off wait 20 mins take it back to dawsons, run a pressure test. find a coolant leak behind water pump, so i figure it just went bad. what ever. as a last effort to hold it off till i store it in the winter and fix it then i put stop leak pellats in it. worked for a week, never got hot all is well.

This week, leave work on thursday. check oil light comes on, before i left work i let it warm up and the light wasnt on, i turn onto the main road, and boom check oil light. i drive 1/8th mile down the road and shut it off and and check it. nothing at all on the dip stick. and i mean nothing. that what spawned the rant. the fact there was no oil on the dip stick.

today. i check oil add some oil and then put some water in the radiator. drive a mile and the temp jumps to about 250 i shut it off, its not hot. the motor doesnt feel hot the coolant isnt hot. i wait anyway about 20 mins cool it all the way off. drive about a quater mile and temp is back up i shut it off.
The car once again doesnt appear to be 250 i go to fire it back up to see if the temp has gone down and it wont fire. it just turns over. and doesnt fire. now im very pissed. i take a plug out and check it. looks fine. not wet or anything. put it back in it fires up. i put some more water in it, and it fires right up, so i take it to dawson the mile trip it doesnt get warm at all according to the temp gauge. i get to dawsons pop it and the coolant in the resivoir is bubbling and white from boiling.

tommorrow a block test will be run to hopefully answer some questions on the over heating.

So My questions are... where is the oil going? is that what is making the smoke upon start up? and is hole in the gasket behind the water pump causing air to get into the coolant and causing the over heating.

[Rick93coupe]

You could have bad valve seals in the heads. Putting some umbrella seals on them is a pretty painless job. Is the car puking water? Is it pushing water into the overflow?
If it has a leak, go buy a water pump and some gaskets and change it. You don't really ever want to run any of that stop leak crap unless it's an emergency. Also, don't bother checking the oil unless the car has sat for 20 min or so. The oil pump is pumping the oil from the pan all the way to the top of the engine. It takes time for it to all drain back down to where you could get an accurate reading on the dip stick.

Check out this site about putting seals on the valves. This isn't mustang specific but the idea is the same.
http://home.comcast.net/~chwilka/ValveStemSealReplacement.htm

[Kevin1989]

so umbrella valve seals? i will read into that, dawsons is running a block test tomorrow morning so im crossing my fingers nothing is fubar there.

[quik lx]

If the oil's not in the water, or draining on the ground...your burning it.

[Timido]

So your main problem is the car is overheating right? Is your cooling fan and clutch working properly? Is your radiator clean? Compression test, Leakdown test, Radiator pressure test are good ways to check the base engine.

[Kevin1989]

the over heating has hit the back burner... im more worried about where the oil is going, im pretty sure the over heating problem was found with pressure test. but now i want to find the source of the oil burning.

[Gearhead]

This car has an aftermarket intake ??
For your oil burning problem, just guessing here, but it could possibly be a bad or poorly aligned intake gaskets, which could cause it to suck oil from the intake valley into an intake port. This could also potentially cause it to overheat if your getting combustion gases into the coolant - but the intake gaskets would have to be really bad for that to happen.

Also, do you have the screen underneath the pcv valve ?? Do you have the baffle attached to the underside of the intake under the PCV valve fitting ?? If those are missing it can really suck oil.

I'm no mechanic, but just throwing out a few ideas.....

[Kevin1989]

i thank you guys for the idea i should have this figured out soon with the ideas flowing like they are.

[MFIELD]

If its puffing white smoke do a leakdown test and see if you have a blown headgasket

[cobra429boss]

If its puffing white smoke do a leakdown test and see if you have a blown headgasket
Thats what i thought it was in the beginning , The guy ask for advice then disagrees with you.. With it over heating like it is and white smoking when he starts it, i would say its a blown head gasket

[Kevin1989]

no you said something about the water pump being bad since it was leaking.

[cobra429boss]

I think i know what i said.. http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?p=509042#post509042

Post number 9

[Kevin1989]

okay look, who ever you are weather your the original cobra or not, im not going to talk to you, your screen name pissed me off in the past and before. im not going to get pissed please dont clog the thread with BS

[cobra429boss]

Dude , whats with the attitude, You wanna ask for advice and you get it, I just think you dont wanna believe its a head gasket. But im not gonna offer to help you anymore. Your just hating the fact that you may have spent 9k on a car with a blown headgasket.. Its not as bad as it sounds.. so anyway peace out

[Kevin1989]

no its the fact that who ever uses this name always pisses me off and says stupid shit.

[Kevin1989]

block test came back okay so over heating is most likely cause by faulty gasket

[347sc]

Block test? What is involved in that? Was it the combustion gas test with the coolant? You talking a coolant pressure test?

Did you replace the the timing cover gasket that was leaking? Did you perform a leak down test? You have to have a leak somewhere if you are adding water and the way its heating up is air pockets in the system were the water is low.
As Gearhead said above oil get sucked into the intake pretty good without the screen and baffle under the pcv valve. Is there oil in the intake when you open the t body and look in?

[stang5slow]

man i hope you get this figured out, this car sure is nice as hell, i was behind it headed to the cruise, it sounds as goods as it looks

[Kevin1989]

it was the block test whith the colored water. i will look at the tb and see if there is any oil in it when i get back home

[Kevin1989]

did it smell like oil? lol

[MFIELD]

Did you do a leakdown?

[stang5slow]

lol not sure, i was in the very back, you were up front, but at the rave it did not smell like it

[Kevin1989]

what is a leak down test?

[347sc]

Thats when you use a pressure differental gauge to check how much pressure you are losing in a cylinder by pumping compressed air in it and seeing how much leaks out and how fast. It can show what cylinder has a bad gasket,bent valve,burnt rings, holed piston etc

[Kevin1989]

could that stuff cause smoking upon start up, it doesnt really smoke any other time

[347sc]

Thats more then likely valve seals. The over heating/ losing water is a bigger issue. You get water in the oil and you can wipe a bearing out and cause bigger problems

[MFIELD]

Thats more then likely valve seals. The over heating/ losing water is a bigger issue. You get water in the oil and you can wipe a bearing out and cause bigger problems

Exactly, you need to find out whats going on before it makes things worse.

[Kevin1989]

yea i drained the oil about a week after it started and it was all good

[Kevin1989]

i havent been loosing any water with the stop leak in it, it was just dripping slowly out of there before, now i think its just letting air in

[cobra429boss]

i havent been loosing any water with the stop leak in it, it was just dripping slowly out of there before, now i think its just letting air in

i would flush the system and get that junk out of there stop leak is nasty .. Do a compression test , That way you can see if it may have a head gasket leak.. Thats what i would of done today instead of that other test you done. I have never heard of a block test.. But def run a compression test on it.

[Kevin1989]

a block test goes into the coolant system and basicly tells by the fumes weather there is coolant fumes in the combustion. if i understood it correctly. im going to replace headgaskets when i do the valve seals i guess just incase

[331TwistedWedge]

you have so many issues, just go get an exploder motor and be done with it ... $400 ... way more power ...

[Kevin1989]

i have 2 issues... oil is going somewhere and the front cover gasket...

[pegasus]

you have so many issues, just go get an exploder motor and be done with it ... $400 ... way more power ...

cincy u-pull & pay complete engine 200 bucks

[Kevin1989]

i dont see the need for a new engine???

[MFIELD]

If your pulling the heads to put seals and gaskets in have them checked for warpage while there off

[facemelter71]

You said the smoke is white.

White smoke is burning coolant.If it has a slight blue tint to it then I would say burning oil.
Also checking the oil while its hot or right after you get done driving it will still show on the dipstick.There is no way the pump is going to put 2.5 quarts to the heads and hide it up there right after you stop it.
What type of intake do you have?

[Rick93coupe]

You could have bad valve seals in the heads. Putting some umbrella seals on them is a pretty painless job. Is the car puking water? Is it pushing water into the overflow?
If it has a leak, go buy a water pump and some gaskets and change it. You don't really ever want to run any of that stop leak crap unless it's an emergency. Also, don't bother checking the oil unless the car has sat for 20 min or so. The oil pump is pumping the oil from the pan all the way to the top of the engine. It takes time for it to all drain back down to where you could get an accurate reading on the dip stick.





Just pointing out my original post. :)

[Kevin1989]

trickflow track heat intake,

[cobra429boss]

i just hope you didnt warp one of the heads when the car pegged the temp gauge. I hope you get it fixed man. Also I would not be driving the car any where until everything is fixed.. Goodluck man, Run that compression test and let us know !

[Kevin1989]

the car has never gotten blazing hot thank god, and the block test is supposed to show a warped head as well

[sean]

Kevin, from what you have told me about the overheating you really need to get another temp Gage on there to see if it really is overheating. From what you and I talked about it sounds like the dreaded fox temp Gage. Mine did that and would go to cool and minutes later read hot. No gurgling or steam or any signs of overheating when I shut it off. Get another temp Gage and rule overheating out if its not overheating. Then you and all of us can move past that and focus on whats really going on. Make sure you have the right dipstick in there too. Check your oil with Ted's dipstick outta his car. If someone put a pretty one on there and its too short you may be overloading it with oil too.

[MFIELD]

the car has never gotten blazing hot thank god, and the block test is supposed to show a warped head as well

How do you know this? You do realize that if the coolant level is to low there will not be any on the sensor and the guage will not show how hot it really is. A BLOCK test as you say you did by looking for combustion in the coolant will not show you anything about a warped head. I am not saying in any way that is definately what is wrong but I have been through this years ago. Just going by your posts and you having others doing these tests tells me your not real sure what to do. I hope you get it fixed.

[03z06vette]

If a block test wont find a warped head? how can a warped head cause overheating?

[347sc]

If a block test wont find a warped head? how can a warped head cause overheating?


I believe he is stating that the block test will tell you combustion gases are present in the cooling system or not. To check the head to see if its warped it has to be off the car and a straight edge and feeler gauge used. His point is it will tell you somethings wrong but not what it is, (ie) blown head gasket, cracked block,warped head as these all need to be diagnosed after the test to pinpoint repair. It is also possible to have a leaking head gasket that doesn't show on the test you ran. Aluminum heads move around when they heat up and expand cause the gasket to move with it this can cause a water leak that doesn't enter the combustion chamber and can leak under the intake or outside the engine. Not say thats what happened here just giving examples.
Its hard to diagnose this problem over the internet.

[cobra429boss]

so how about that compression test ..

[03z06vette]

kevin decided that the block test was all he wanted me to do?? i guess he will bring it back? or just keep driving it with the problem.

[cobra429boss]

kevin decided that the block test was all he wanted me to do?? i guess he will bring it back? or just keep driving it with the problem.
no comment :dummy::tard:

[5.0calypso93lx]

no comment :dummy::tard:

x2. Why make a thread if you're not going to take the advice of some very experienced stangbangerz?

[Timido]

pill it till you kill it!

[facemelter71]

pill it till you kill it!

Ill second that.I think thats what happened to my old engine.:bigthumb

[347sc]

Well I guess he will soon find out whats wrong when it does finally break. Sounds like it has some nice parts thats going to need replaced

[cobra429boss]

Well I guess he will soon find out whats wrong when it does finally break. Sounds like it has some nice parts thats going to need replaced

:agree:

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