2010 Dirty Dozen Discussion Thread

[stocknotch]

I know this thread isn't for "discussion" but what did you just say?? E85 is junk?

Yes.....Yes it is!! Why build a race car and then shortcut it on fuel just to save a few bux. Just pony up the extra 15bux and throw atleast some turbo blue in it.

[Walter]

Pump gas is for pussies

:lol:

[flyin2jz]

I want 15 more. Tell me how.

[stocknotch]

150shot!!!! Then you'd have over 600+/-rwhp, 9 second timeslips, 135+mph traps!!!

[stocknotch]

Or...pull the belt off of it! lol

[flyin2jz]

I think I'm gonna try a little race gas or at least 93 octane and give it a little more timing. My goal at this point is 500. Maybe tune it on a cooler day. It was 89 in the dyno room. Lol

[Maximus]

It was 92 in here when Mike Dyno'd his.:(

[cstreu1026]

E85 I junk also. I know your car runs 9s but it would be faster with good gas


Yes.....Yes it is!! Why build a race car and then shortcut it on fuel just to save a few bux. Just pony up the extra 15bux and throw atleast some turbo blue in it.

I would love to hear one vaild reason E85 is "junk" fuel and I don't mean because Billy down the street put it in his car and it blew up. E85 is no more a "junk" fuel than methanol, nitromethane, or anyone of of the dozens of leaded race fuels on the market. Like anything else it takes proper planning, proper parts, and proper tuning.

[9cobra4]

Craig(metcalf) is negative about everything. If his middletown butt buddies don't use it then it's not cool. You didn't know he's like Vin Diesel?

[Maximus]

I would love to hear one vaild reason E85 is "junk" fuel and I don't mean because Billy down the street put it in his car and it blew up. E85 is no more a "junk" fuel than methanol, nitromethane, or anyone of of the dozens of leaded race fuels on the market. Like anything else it takes proper planning, proper parts, and proper tuning.

Thats why he thinks it is junk.:lol:

[cobraman302]

E85 I junk also. I know your car runs 9s but it would be faster with good gas

This has got to be the best thing I have read on this forum yet. And by best I mean the most rediculous. I am curious to see/hear your proof, I have some sad news to inform you of though after I hear this. ;)

[5.0calypso93lx]

E85 I junk also. I know your car runs 9s but it would be faster with good gas

:lol:

Cameron, your post sums it up perfectly.

[stocknotch]

:lol:

Cameron, your post sums it up perfectly.

What kinda fuel does your car run best on??

[cstreu1026]

Not to mention that leaded fuel like Turbo Blue is no good for O2 sensors. At $40-50 a piece for Motorcraft O2 sensors race gas is even more costly to use.

[Metcalf Racing]

If you can't afford to race a fast car don't build one.

[cstreu1026]

And that's still no explanation or justification for your claim that E85 is junk fuel. That's kid of like saying if you can't afford VP Q16 at like $14/gallon you shouldn't build a fast car.

[Rick93coupe]

:popcorn:

[331TwistedWedge]

whoever built that engine did a kick ass job :bigthumb ... 1.4hp per cubic inch is NO joke ... apply that to a 408 and you're closing in on 600hp ...

everyone is saying they are out of the box heads ... which version are they? ... the twisted wedge 170's, the Fast As Cast 190's or the CNC 185 or 205 versions? ...

[Metcalf Racing]

And that's still no explanation or justification for your claim that E85 is junk fuel. That's kid of like saying if you can't afford VP Q16 at like $14/gallon you shouldn't build a fast car.I dont care what you do. If you wanna use junk gas thats on you. If your car is slow thats on you

[flyin2jz]

I'm glad I don't run race gas cause I can't afford this race stuff.

[cobraman302]

If you can't afford to race a fast car don't build one.

I'm still waiting King Fullofshit

[flyin2jz]

How much it costs doesn't mean it's fast I've had my ass handed to me by stock trans ams with a 700shot triple action fogger kit that cost 80 bux on craigslist. Lol

[JASON408]

whoever built that engine did a kick ass job :bigthumb ... 1.4hp per cubic inch is NO joke ... apply that to a 408 and you're closing in on 600hp ...

everyone is saying they are out of the box heads ... which version are they? ... the twisted wedge 170's, the Fast As Cast 190's or the CNC 185 or 205 versions? ...

steve barker built the motor and they are 170s . got a litlle faster tonight at kil kare but i will let him tell you the numbers:D and dam it was hot !!!!

[Maximus]

HE HAS TO BE SPRAYING NITROUS!!!!

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm still waiting King Fullofshit

King full of shit? You wanna race me?

[k062693w]

steve barker built the motor and they are 170s . got a litlle faster tonight at kil kare but i will let him tell you the numbers:D and dam it was hot !!!!

Good seeing you and Mike tonight !!! Stang looked KILLER !!!

[cobraman302]

King full of shit? You wanna race me?

That's what i though, still waiting palllllll! :lol:

[cstreu1026]

I dont care what you do. If you wanna use junk gas thats on you. If your car is slow thats on you

Well that's more or less the response I expected. You have no proof its nothing more than your opinion that was formed because someone you know tried it, screwed up, and blew his shit up. I guess that since you've owned something like 9 million Mustangs all of which were the fastest street cars in the land I should take it as the word of God himself.

... and before you can suggest it my car is slow and no I don't want to race you.

[Metcalf Racing]

I do know. Mike whitt with silver chevelle that says Blown Income on the hood switched to it and it has slowed down a half a second. And he's happy with it. If you can't afford to use the right fuel than you shouldn't build and engine that needs it. E85 takes like 32% more fuel and its only 100-105 octane depending on the season. Plus its a dirty fuel like diesel. So like I said run your crap gas and be slow. Guys like me with good gas will continue to laugh at you

[Metcalf Racing]

That's what i though, still waiting palllllll! :lol:
That's what I thought you'd say.

[cobraman302]

That's what I thought you'd say.

Actually it has been tested and minimum octane rating for E70 (winter blend you are referring to) is 105 octane, and E85 in summer blend format is closer to 107-109 octane. I wasn't aware of the fact that E85 was "dirty" like diesel fuel is. Yes it does require a lot more voume to flow E85, and I have to admit maybe its only in boosted applications that E85 pays off? I am unsure about a N/A car. I personally know of a car that picked up as much as 100hp (roughly 70 more at peak) in the curve just by switching from 100 cotane to E85 (same boost of 21psi).

And listen pal, I am not here to be a forum badass, you call me out on a race trying to be a badass....I don't even know you and you throw shit at most people on this board. I wish, and sorry if I am being rude, that you would just drop off this forum and never come back. I was asking you a question, you never provided clear proof, and now you want to race me lol. I have a 4000lb + vert so you are truely a badass if you can beat me....:rolleyes:

[cstreu1026]

I do know. Mike whitt with silver chevelle that says Blown Income on the hood switched to it and it has slowed down a half a second. And he's happy with it. If you can't afford to use the right fuel than you shouldn't build and engine that needs it. E85 takes like 32% more fuel and its only 100-105 octane depending on the season. Plus its a dirty fuel like diesel. So like I said run your crap gas and be slow. Guys like me with good gas will continue to laugh at you

I don't know Mike Whitt but because this one guy tried it and slowed down that must make it true. There is a whole lot of informaiton being left out.

Dirty fuel? You have got to be kidding me. Ethanol burns cleaner than regular gasoline and way cleaner than that the leaded stuff you are running. There is a damn good reason the government banned leaded fuel for use on public roads in the 70's.

Cost has nothing to do with it. I could put VP fuel in my car if I wanted to but it would be a waste. The reality of it is that you can get E85 at far more places and for roughly half the cost of Turbo Blue and for far less than you pay for VP, Torco, etc.

Yes it takes roughly 30% more fuel to run a car on E85 and methanol takes roughly twice as much volume compared to gasoline. Does that mean the alcohol dragsters and funny cars that run at the track are running on "junk" fuel?

[Metcalf Racing]

Actually it has been tested and minimum octane rating for E70 (winter blend you are referring to) is 105 octane, and E85 in summer blend format is closer to 107-109 octane. I wasn't aware of the fact that E85 was "dirty" like diesel fuel is. Yes it does require a lot more voume to flow E85, and I have to admit maybe its only in boosted applications that E85 pays off? I am unsure about a N/A car. I personally know of a car that picked up as much as 100hp (roughly 70 more at peak) in the curve just by switching from 100 cotane to E85 (same boost of 21psi).

And listen pal, I am not here to be a forum badass, you call me out on a race trying to be a badass....I don't even know you and you throw shit at most people on this board. I wish, and sorry if I am being rude, that you would just drop off this forum and never come back. I was asking you a question, you never provided clear proof, and now you want to race me lol. I have a 4000lb + vert so you are truely a badass if you can beat me....:rolleyes:
Nope you proved my point right here. I have a 4000lb vert. That is an EXCUSE. So is the fuel its like pump gas an EXCUSE for your car to be slow or not to be raced. CRY BABY gas. Its not even saving money because you have to build a fuel system around it and its not super easy to get so its not really convenient. Its simply cry baby fuel

[Metcalf Racing]

I don't know Mike Whitt but because this one guy tried it and slowed down that must make it true. There is a whole lot of informaiton being left out.

Dirty fuel? You have got to be kidding me. Ethanol burns cleaner than regular gasoline and way cleaner than that the leaded stuff you are running. There is a damn good reason the government banned leaded fuel for use on public roads in the 70's.

Cost has nothing to do with it. I could put VP fuel in my car if I wanted to but it would be a waste. The reality of it is that you can get E85 at far more places and for roughly half the cost of Turbo Blue and for far less than you pay for VP, Torco, etc.

Yes it takes roughly 30% more fuel to run a car on E85 and methanol takes roughly twice as much volume compared to gasoline. Does that mean the alcohol dragsters and funny cars that run at the track are running on "junk" fuel?
Let me know when John Force switches to it

[Walter]

:mad:

[cstreu1026]

Let me know when John Force switches to it

So when are you switching to nitromethane?

IRL cars run on ethanol. So how does what John Force use prove that E85 is junk fuel?

[Metcalf Racing]

I don't know I was just going off what you said. Ethanol and e85 are not the same thing. And I was kicking around running some nitromethane

[NXcoupe]

I ran it and it worked well for me, must have been a fluke. lol. Craig, if you don't like it, just don't run it man. I thought you'd be the last person to bulk at 105+ octane fuel for 3 bucks a gallon. But I'm not getting into this pissing match, and no I won't race ya, I'm too fucking far away, unless you come here and give me the dig ;)

[Metcalf Racing]

I guess I like my motors to much to run a cheep ass make shift fuel in it. But like I said to each his own. Oh and Mike what kind of gas is your car on? We both know

[Jeff88coupe]

All it takes to tune your car to run E85 is

One of these
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2756&stc=1&d=1248377363

And one of these
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QgZ98LbKRNs/SxCkKSBLSGI/AAAAAAAAAi0/DzjOs1ciWkg/s320/human-brain-vis304784-sw1.jpg

But...you do have to know how to use both of them.


Some E85 performance related links for those interested:
http://www.e85performance.net/forums/

http://www.proe85.com/
-A 8.90 index class at No Limit raceway in Indiana..uses E85 as spec fuel. Many different combo's running it.

http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=47094.0
tt 331 mustang making 1000+rwhp on E85

[Walter]

Local evo made 700awhp on e85.

[Metcalf Racing]

There is a dude on my site with an S10 on it that runs the 8.90 index on it. Still be faster on race gas. Kinda reminds me of going to a regular radial shoot out

[cstreu1026]

There is a dude on my site with an S10 on it that runs the 8.90 index on it. Still be faster on race gas. Kinda reminds me of going to a regular radial shoot out

Show me, or for that matter anyone else on this site, back to back testing between the two and maybe your argument will carry some weight. Until then its nothing more that speculation, opinions, and ASSumptions.

[cstreu1026]

How about this, we find a car that is fairly easy to tune (I'm thinking fairly high compression NA car) that has enough of a fuel system to support both race gas and E85 and we put it on a dyno to figure out which really does produce more power. I'll buy the fuel and split the dyno time with you.

[Metcalf Racing]

We looked into it. Big Rob wanted the turbo car like that bad and after two months of research we figured out it junk. I knew after the first day but Rob wanted it bad so he spent lots of time looking into it. Plus my buddy Smack(stocknotch) was determined to make it work on his turbo car. It cost him 3 engines and he talked to all kinds of guys who ran it and spent countless hours on the web researching it. I talked him into making the switch to turbo blue and his car went from 9.80s on a good tune to a 9.20 on a soft tune. So I'm not running my mouth we've tried it, its shit!! So I'm cool if you run it you'll just have junk

[cstreu1026]

NXcoupe, 05yellowgt, jeff88coupe, antirice347, recklessop, and white01 all are running or have run E85 without blowing up anything. That's 6 different cars, 4 different tuners, and a variety of combinations. Hell I bet 05yellowgt has made 100 or more dyno pulls with it and I don't know how many street miles without incident.

[Metcalf Racing]

Jeff88coupe is the only one that is really fast but how do you know how many times its been apart. I kinda feel like its apart a lot. All the other cars are nice but mike bell doesn't run it any more and if the yellow05 is still on it I can't wait for him to switch back cause it will fly. I rather hear it was on pump gas. Its definitely better. I don't know antirice.

[Metcalf Racing]

Like I said I may just value my engine more

[JROUTLAW331]

Wow!!! I have never seen a guy who spends more time putting peoples stuff or ideas down than this Metcalf guy.....I dont know why you guys even waste your time responding to to his ignorant posts.
There are alot of good knowledgable guys on here that are willing to help guys out and provide good POSITIVE information for people that have questions or ideas and thats what this board was supposed to be for(at least thats what I thought).
But he gets on here and provides absolutly nothing positive for the members of this board all he does do is spout off on his shitty opinions about how everything is junk and everybody combination is wrong and how slow everybody is(unless of coarse he uses it or its his combination then its the best fastest shit ever made!!!!)
And just the simple fact that he puts KING or KING OF THE STREET or sum dumb shit like that on his signature(and believe me hes not the king of anything) just proves that he is an arrogant azz and I wouldnt pay attention to a word out of his mouth.
This board could be so much bigger and better than it is but your gonna have to get guys like this off of it so that more people will join and make friends and hang out more because there wont be all the negative drama....

[JASON408]

Well got nothing better to do ha ha ! i will start off with saying e85 has it good points and bad . Does not have to many but does have a few . but imo the good out ways the bad in most combos . now for back to back compros last year jeff was having a problem with his car . I suggested taking it off e85 and runing it on race gas witch was easier to read the plugs . He did problem stayed car lost cant rember exacly but it was more than a tenth . Now i pay 17 bucks a gallon for race gas if i can ran as good or better for 2.50 a gallon that would be great!!! NOW HERE COMES THE BAD PART . There is not alot of people that know what they are doing with the shi.. e 85 dont blow your shi.. up a bad tune did . one of the benfites of it you can add more timing . Well theres were the gread comes in . on a bad air day or you get a good bach of the stuff you make good power 3 weeks from now the da drops like a rock and you get a lower bach bam hole in the piston . Once more poeple get used to it you will see it more in racing . And i got news for ya 10 years from now old obama is goiing to take my c-23 from me :eek: so better start learning

[5.0calypso93lx]

Well got nothing better to do ha ha ! i will start off with saying e85 has it good points and bad . Does not have to many but does have a few . but imo the good out ways the bad in most combos . now for back to back compros last year jeff was having a problem with his car . I suggested taking it off e85 and runing it on race gas witch was easier to read the plugs . He did problem stayed car lost cant rember exacly but it was more than a tenth . Now i pay 17 bucks a gallon for race gas if i can ran as good or better for 2.50 a gallon that would be great!!! NOW HERE COMES THE BAD PART . There is not alot of people that know what they are doing with the shi.. e 85 dont blow your shi.. up a bad tune did . one of the benfites of it you can add more timing . Well theres were the gread comes in . on a bad air day or you get a good bach of the stuff you make good power 3 weeks from now the da drops like a rock and you get a lower bach bam hole in the piston . Once more poeple get used to it you will see it more in racing . And i got news for ya 10 years from now old obama is goiing to take my c-23 from me :eek: so better start learning

I've been hearing guys like Pauls408notch getting around that problem by running those flex fuel sensors on the car that reads how much ethanol is in that specific batch of e85 going through the fuel lines. Pretty cool stuff! Another huge benefit is for boosted cars that don't wanna spend a crazy amount of money on a big dollar intercooler or the hassle of an A/W. E85 runs cool!

[Metcalf Racing]

Well got nothing better to do ha ha ! i will start off with saying e85 has it good points and bad . Does not have to many but does have a few . but imo the good out ways the bad in most combos . now for back to back compros last year jeff was having a problem with his car . I suggested taking it off e85 and runing it on race gas witch was easier to read the plugs . He did problem stayed car lost cant rember exacly but it was more than a tenth . Now i pay 17 bucks a gallon for race gas if i can ran as good or better for 2.50 a gallon that would be great!!! NOW HERE COMES THE BAD PART . There is not alot of people that know what they are doing with the shi.. e 85 dont blow your shi.. up a bad tune did . one of the benfites of it you can add more timing . Well theres were the gread comes in . on a bad air day or you get a good bach of the stuff you make good power 3 weeks from now the da drops like a rock and you get a lower bach bam hole in the piston . Once more poeple get used to it you will see it more in racing . And i got news for ya 10 years from now old obama is goiing to take my c-23 from me :eek: so better start learning
That's why its junk. You can get bad real easy and how do you know when they change the octane? You don't and then you have blowed up junk. After you spend all the extra money to try to make it run right your really not saving any money. your not kidding me if you thought you could be faster and safer with it you'd be running it :)

[Metcalf Racing]

Wow!!! I have never seen a guy who spends more time putting peoples stuff or ideas down than this Metcalf guy.....I dont know why you guys even waste your time responding to to his ignorant posts.
There are alot of good knowledgable guys on here that are willing to help guys out and provide good POSITIVE information for people that have questions or ideas and thats what this board was supposed to be for(at least thats what I thought).
But he gets on here and provides absolutly nothing positive for the members of this board all he does do is spout off on his shitty opinions about how everything is junk and everybody combination is wrong and how slow everybody is(unless of coarse he uses it or its his combination then its the best fastest shit ever made!!!!)
And just the simple fact that he puts KING or KING OF THE STREET or sum dumb shit like that on his signature(and believe me hes not the king of anything) just proves that he is an arrogant azz and I wouldnt pay attention to a word out of his mouth.
This board could be so much bigger and better than it is but your gonna have to get guys like this off of it so that more people will join and make friends and hang out more because there wont be all the negative drama....
Who pulled your string Clown. You aint no body. You had a car that may have been fast 8yrs ago but it was all borrowed parts. You wasn't anybody then and you aren't anybody now. Do me a favor and just sit there honking you big clown nose thinking you worry some one

[5.0calypso93lx]

That's why its junk. You can get bad real easy and how do you know when they change the octane? You don't and then you have blowed up junk. After you spend all the extra money to try to make it run right your really not saving any money. your not kidding me if you thought you could be faster and safer with it you'd be running it :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FLEX-FUEL-SENSOR-12570260-S10-SONOMA-TAHOE-SILVERAD0-C-/150465306648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item23086e6018

[Metcalf Racing]

I've been hearing guys like Pauls408notch getting around that problem by running those flex fuel sensors on the car that reads how much ethanol is in that specific batch of e85 going through the fuel lines. Pretty cool stuff! Another huge benefit is for boosted cars that don't wanna spend a crazy amount of money on a big dollar intercooler or the hassle of an A/W. E85 runs cool!
You need double the fuel system and special sensors that will out weigh the cost of an intercooler

[Kwik92GT]

E85 works. Jeff posted some very good links to check out if anyone wants to have an open mind about this. For the price it is a very good fuel for a boosted or moderately-high compressed engine with or without the sauce. You just need to understand how alcohol works and adjust accordingly. It's not just a matter of changing some jets or cranking the base pressure up on an efi setup, turning the distributor until "it sounds good," and going out making passes. You WILL blow your shit up doing things like that. It blows away ANY "normal" pump gas you'll find for anywhere near the price per gallon. You will need a checker like Jeff showed to be sure of what you have because some blends, especially the winter blend, will be different enough to need some changes in the tune from time to time. Is it the be-all and end-all of fuels? No. But it sure as hell beats most of what's out there for a high HP "street" car when looking at your options. No matter what you use for fuel, if you have your tune on the ragged edge (knowingly or not) sooner or later it will probably bite you in the ass.

Here's a link to what Gale Banks has to say about E85. He seems to like it, but what does he know?? :dunno:

CLICK HERE (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/e85-demystified/238184/)

Takes a minute or two to load but its good stuff.

[5.0calypso93lx]

You need double the fuel system and special sensors that will out weigh the cost of an intercooler

I bet it easily pays for itself during a racing season.

[Metcalf Racing]

Ok man ill agree with Greg to an extent. It maybe an upgrade to running pump gas if you want to devote all the extra time and money to use then baby sit it. I'd rather put good gas in my car go race have fun and make good power but if that's not what your out to do I say go with it

[Metcalf Racing]

E85 works. Jeff posted some very good links to check out if anyone wants to have an open mind about this. For the price it is a very good fuel for a boosted or moderately-high compressed engine with or without the sauce. You just need to understand how alcohol works and adjust accordingly. It's not just a matter of changing some jets or cranking the base pressure up on an efi setup, turning the distributor until "it sounds good," and going out making passes. You WILL blow your shit up doing things like that. It blows away ANY "normal" pump gas you'll find for anywhere near the price per gallon. You will need a checker like Jeff showed to be sure of what you have because some blends, especially the winter blend, will be different enough to need some changes in the tune from time to time. Is it the be-all and end-all of fuels? No. But it sure as hell beats most of what's out there for a high HP "street" car when looking at your options. No matter what you use for fuel, if you have your tune on the ragged edge (knowingly or not) sooner or later it will probably bite you in the ass.

Here's a link to what Gale Banks has to say about E85. He seems to like it, but what does he know?? :dunno:

CLICK HERE (http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/e85-demystified/238184/)

Takes a minute or two to load but its good stuff.
I know you didn't name drop me. Lmao. Come on man. He's just a guy like me and you

[JASON408]

That's why its junk. You can get bad real easy and how do you know when they change the octane? You don't and then you have blowed up junk. After you spend all the extra money to try to make it run right your really not saving any money. your not kidding me if you thought you could be faster and safer with it you'd be running it :)as i said it has good and bad points i use a fair amount of nos and tuning it on e 85 there is not info alot out there . nos unlike boosted or na combos you cant tune with o2s and other gauges reading the plug it what you have to do if you want it to live . and just like q16 it will make you more power but very hard to read the plugs , e85 is somewhere around 108 octane .. i need 119 to 122 octane on my junk :drunk:

[Metcalf Racing]

as i said it has good and bad points i use a fair amount of nos and tuning it on e 85 there is not info alot out there . nos unlike boosted or na combos you cant tune with o2s and other gauges reading the plug it what you have to do if you want it to live . and just like q16 it will make you more power but very hard to read the plugs , e85 is somewhere around 108 octane .. i need 119 to 122 octane on my junk :drunk:
Man fuel not pussy gas. Lol

[flyin2jz]

Any gains to be found running some race gas on a lowish compression na motor. 10:1. I know I have junk Craig so don't bust my balls. Lol

[Walter]

Anyone not running Turbo Blue is a pussy!!!!

[Metcalf Racing]

I like your junk Kevin its cool. I know you just chimed in to up your post count lol

[Metcalf Racing]

Anyone not running Turbo Blue is a pussy!!!!
Lol no you put words in my mouth. But really if its your toy and not your dd than your hiding behind pump gas. Put some gas in that baby and wick it up!!!

[Walter]

Lol no you put words in my mouth. But really if its your toy and not your dd than your hiding behind pump gas. Put some gas in that baby and wick it up!!!

LOL "hiding" behind pump gas? I put pump gas in it because its a street car. If it was a race car, id put race gas in it. :bigthumb

[Kwik92GT]

I like your junk Kevin its cool. I know you just chimed in to up your post count lol

Now that's funny shit right there. LOL :bigthumb

[Metcalf Racing]

LOL "hiding" behind pump gas? I put pump gas in it because its a street car. If it was a race car, id put race gas in it. :bigthumbexcuse

[flyin2jz]

Well other than that. Are there gains with my combo trying higher octane and maybe upping the timing? If anyones tried it it u Craig.

[Metcalf Racing]

What kind of timing are you running?

[Metcalf Racing]

Well other than that. Are there gains with my combo trying higher octane and maybe upping the timing? If anyones tried it it u Craig.you will never use spray so I really doubt it

[Kwik92GT]

Well other than that. Are there gains with my combo trying higher octane and maybe upping the timing? If anyones tried it it u Craig.

Probably be minimal at best IMO. There are a lot of NA cars out there running way higher octane fuel than what they may actually need or what the engine wants. Too many factors (cam timing, combustion chamber, quench, etc.) to say for sure if you'd gain anything on your combo. Surprised you haven't tested it yet though.

[flyin2jz]

38 total

[flyin2jz]

My last dyno was on 89 so I at least need to try 92. We tried upping the timing and it gave us 9 more rwhp but when we went 1 more degree it lost 6.

[Kwik92GT]

My last dyno was on 89 so I at least need to try 92. We tried upping the timing and it gave us 9 more rwhp but when we went 1 more degree it lost 6.

Funny how timing will do that. Gotta find that sweet spot. I've seen 100+ rwhp gains with 1-2 degrees of timing on boosted combos.

[Metcalf Racing]

That's way more than I'd run in it but if it works rock it

[NXcoupe]

I guess I like my motors to much to run a cheep ass make shift fuel in it. But like I said to each his own. Oh and Mike what kind of gas is your car on? We both know

Yeah, in my race car? I was talking about my supercharged street car. I have to run VP C10 in the race car because of rules. If I could run whatever, I would run E85 because of cost and access. I have to drive all over to get C10, usually buy all they have so I won't run out. If you don't like it, don't use it, but to each his own. I could use more octane with my car, that's for sure, it's limited now by the fuel octane.

[Walter]

excuse

You've been wathcing too many street racing videos. :lol:

[flyin2jz]

Yea I told him to keep putting timing in it till it lost power. That was with the victor efi. I kept the same timing tables in the pms and just for fun put more in it thinking I may not have got the dizzy exactly where it was before I put the new super victor on.

[Metcalf Racing]

You've been wathcing too many street racing videos. :lol:I wish I could be making some

[JROUTLAW331]

Who pulled your string Clown. You aint no body. You had a car that may have been fast 8yrs ago but it was all borrowed parts. You wasn't anybody then and you aren't anybody now. Do me a favor and just sit there honking you big clown nose thinking you worry some one

LOL!...You are a tool and a sad excuse for one at that...you were a shit talkin ass back then and I see nothing has changed...you think you are king of street but the only thing that you are king of is running your mouth.
Whats sad is that when I hear people from this board talking and your name comes up they all say the same thing...that you are a complete ass jockey and the only reason they even pay attention to your posts is because its funny to hear you talk about how great you think you are.

BTW....For the record Im not trying to worry you I dont care if your worried or not...all im saying is that I think you are a fucking idiot!

[Metcalf Racing]

The only idiot here is the poser with nothing. You've never had nothing or built anything for your opinions to matter. When did I talk about how great I was? I thought I was talking about how junk e85 was. I realize clowns like you look up to me and always wanna surround yourself with my greatness but I'm just a man. No different than the next guy. This is something your going to need to except and move on. Maybe you should watch more tv, find you a nice movie star to stalk that way you can quit worrying about what I have to say. Later stalker

[JROUTLAW331]

Hahaha...Ive never had anything or built anything huh?....Tell you what smart guy I heard that you are making some changes to you combination...thats cool.....well so am I.
I will make a deal with ya KING ..you go ahead and make all your changes you need I will make my changes and when were both done you bring your car to the track and I will bring mine and well see who builds a nicer car and then well see whos is faster...I will be more than happy to let my car do the talking for me..you game?.

[Jeff88coupe]

Haha..wow the pot got stirred up. E85 isn't for everyone...but it works well for me. I did a back to back dyno with my car with 93 pump gas and E85. My motor is only 11:1...it doesn't need 110 race gas n/a. I did use to run a 50/50 mix of 93 and 110 when I was spraying over a 100 shot on it for some insurance. On the same dyno the same day I had my car tuned on pump 93. Drained the fuel cell...put it E85...got the a/f correct..didn't touch the timing. Car picked up 10rwhp on e85 vs 93. I think with the final tune we picked up a few more.....made right around 400 at the tire with my C4 and a nitrous converter. I also run my NX wet efi nitrous plate kit on E85. All I did was call NX's tech line to get a E85 jet map for my plate...and then get the correct fuel jets. I haven't sprayed more than a 150 shot yet...but that will probably change toward the end of the season. Right now I've been only spraying a 100 shot working on my 10.0 index tuneup.
I've got some big changes planned for this winter for the car. I'm going to be putting a turbo on my car. Going with a PT88/FAST XFI/PG setup.....will be a whole new animal next year that will still be running E85.

[Metcalf Racing]

Hahaha...Ive never had anything or built anything huh?....Tell you what smart guy I heard that you are making some changes to you combination...thats cool.....well so am I.
I will make a deal with ya KING ..you go ahead and make all your changes you need I will make my changes and when were both done you bring your car to the track and I will bring mine and well see who builds a nicer car and then well see whos is faster...I will be more than happy to let my car do the talking for me..you game?.
The difference between me and you is my car will be done soon and yours will never be done. So ill tell you what get your car done with all your parts and let me know and we'll square off at the track. I probably can't beat 30 stangbangerz teaming up to help you get your car out but I can make a mockery out of you

[Maximus]

The difference between me and you is my car will be done soon and yours will never be done. So ill tell you what get your car done with all your parts and let me know and we'll square off at the track. I probably can't beat 30 stangbangerz teaming up to help you get your car out but I can make a mockery out of you

Quoted for a later time.:flipoff:

[cobra429boss]

oops sorry wont be able to make it after all...we are making a few changes to car and it wont be done :D notice it says WE so i guess you are right metcalf LOL :bigthumb :popcorn::popcorn:

[JROUTLAW331]

lol...Once again mr know-it -all has spoken........Well lets see!!!!.....Lets take a poll..Has ANYONE on this board EVER helped work on any of my cars????.....If anyone on here has ever even turned a screw on my car speak up...??????
Nobody works on my car but me...NOBODY.
WE is referring to me......And thats cool like I said smart ass you finish your fucking car and I will finish mine and then well see who makes a mockery of who.
Im tired of talking to a lil kid.....I will let my car bust your ass

[Metcalf Racing]

lol...Once again mr know-it -all has spoken........Well lets see!!!!.....Lets take a poll..Has ANYONE on this board EVER helped work on any of my cars????.....If anyone on here has ever even turned a screw on my car speak up...??????
Nobody works on my car but me...NOBODY.
WE is referring to me......And thats cool like I said smart ass you finish your fucking car and I will finish mine and then well see who makes a mockery of who.
Im tired of talking to a lil kid.....I will let my car bust your ass
It must be lonely with no friends because when I say we I mean WE because I roll deep with 12-30. But I'm the dick with no friends. Lmao!!! Like I said clown let's dance. Here is the straight up my car is at Plated's getting a face lift ill have it back in a week or two. My motor is paid for at Robinson Race Engines. It will be there for 2-4 weeks. Then I've got nothing better to do then bust your ass. See I'm always showing up with a pieced together hoopty. This time things are different and I going to make you look like the clown you are and always will be

[JROUTLAW331]

LOL...Well I dont see any response from anybody.....guess you were wrong huh?
Like I said Im done talking, talking is for kids.....You dont like me and I dont like you so we will let our cars do the talking.

[Metcalf Racing]

Yeah we'll see if you show

[flyin2jz]

I let everyone work on my car cause I don't know how. Lol

[Metcalf Racing]

You can help me Kevin

[flyin2jz]

I'm in brother.

[Blowpastyou]

in 2028 when my newborn is 18, I will be running my car on 120octane fusion/reactor banana peels, and apple cores. And if theres still turbo blue, i'll be running that because I really like the smell and my car hauled ass before with it.

[Metcalf Racing]

Girls like the smell of race gas and I've never met one who liked the smell of e85. That makes it fag gas

[Maximus]

LOL...Well I dont see any response from anybody.....guess you were wrong huh?
Like I said Im done talking, talking is for kids.....You dont like me and I dont like you so we will let our cars do the talking.

WOOT!! Small Block FI -vs- Big Block w/Nos!!


:popcorn:

[cobra429boss]

Girls like the smell of race gas and I've never met one who liked the smell of e85. That makes it fag gas LOL im gonna have to get me some race gas and keep it around when girls come over LOL

[Blowpastyou]

If they made it in cologne... I would definetly wear it! Liquid pantie remover!

[stocknotch]

LMAO!!! This is great stuff

[stocknotch]

Whens the next update?

[draggin50]

I always wanted some race gas inscense and tire smoke ones as well. I`d be set then and probably never leave the house!

[RIXXX93GT]

At the UMTR banquet a few years ago they gave out candles shaped like slicks that smelled like burning rubber.

[draggin50]

At the UMTR banquet a few years ago they gave out candles shaped like slicks that smelled like burning rubber.

Thats what I need!

[Mustard]

At the UMTR banquet a few years ago they gave out candles shaped like slicks that smelled like burning rubber.

I so wana know where to get some of these

[flyin2jz]

If u eat alot of whitecaste u can get a similar smell goin. I pounded one in my garage and went inside. I came back out and it smelled lime race fuel. I looked everywhere thinking something was leaking. I even brought my wife out there. She said it smells like race fuel at the track. Then I pounded another one and she pinpointed it immediately. She yelled at me and went inside. So my farts smell lime race fuel. I think that's fairly manly.

[juiced]

If u eat alot of whitecaste u can get a similar smell goin. I pounded one in my garage and went inside. I came back out and it smelled lime race fuel. I looked everywhere thinking something was leaking. I even brought my wife out there. She said it smells like race fuel at the track. Then I pounded another one and she pinpointed it immediately. She yelled at me and went inside. So my farts smell lime race fuel. I think that's fairly manly.

maybe you mistaked your farts smelling like burnt rubber instead of race gas lol

[Rick93coupe]

maybe you mistaked your farts smelling like burnt rubber instead of race gas lol

If your fart's smell like burning rubber, you might want to look into some lubrication! :D

[cobra429boss]

LOL he walked right into tthat..

[flyin2jz]

U have ur post count up stocknotch.

[Maximus]

U have ur post count up stocknotch.

Hes good. Been to most ALL of the SBZ cruise ins. Now he just needs to race his own Stang.:bigthumb

[stocknotch]

Nobody drives my car but me.

[Maximus]

Notice I said RACE.:bigthumb

[Metcalf Racing]

Your still confused Craig

[9cobra4]

Your still confused Craig

Quit talking to yourself, weirdo.

[Metcalf Racing]

Lol. I wish I could

[NO SHOT]

Nobody drives my car but me.

Why do they say you dont drive your own car Rob?Ive seen you race it this year????

[Maximus]

Why do they say you dont drive your own car Rob?Ive seen you race it this year????

Fixed. :)

[Metcalf Racing]

That's not Rob. Rob has been on under Smacks name before but that is Smack. I keep trying to tell you this. You are wrong

[juiced]

whats it matter who drives it

[Metcalf Racing]

It matters but Smack is the driver. They think its Big Rob

[stocknotch]

Rob can't drive a nail. I wouldn't let him no where near the drivers seat of my car....same goes for Metcalf too! lol

[flyin2jz]

Stocknotch isn't rob. I know stock. Who thinks it's rob?

[Metcalf Racing]

Rob logged on a few times under Smacks name. But Smack got mad. But now some guys think its still Rob

[Metcalf Racing]

Rob can't drive a nail. I wouldn't let him no where near the drivers seat of my car....same goes for Metcalf too! lolyeah we'll see

[Maximus]

Rob logged on a few times under Smacks name. But Smack got mad. But now some guys think its still Rob

Who knows? THIS could be Rob instead of Craig.:dork:

They should just give Rob back his Yougotjunk and be done with it. Then again, Rob under Craigs name....:screwy:

[flyin2jz]

I miss rob on here. Whether u like him or not his posts were always good and he was the reason I got on here to see what him and metcalf were stirring up. I think most would agree with me.

[Maximus]

I miss rob on here. Whether u like him or not his posts were always good and he was the reason I got on here to see what him and metcalf were stirring up. I think most would agree with me.

It wasnt the fact that he wasnt liked, it was the fact that he stirred the pot one too many times. He knew what he was doing, he wanted to see how far he could take his prying, and it got him banned. He has done it in the past and been allowed back on. His last time was enough and the ban stick was brought out. Simple.
I'll still buy him a Hot Dog at Tri-State whenever I get up there. I dont have a problem with him at all. Its just when someone plays with a Hornets nest one too many times, you will get stung.:)

Ive told him this in person as well and I know he gets on here quite often. (Under someone elses name)

I agree with ya also, but there are higher ups that have the power to UN-Ban, but not me.

[Metcalf Racing]

I think its funny they told him no on un banning his name. I don't know why he just don't make a new name. I never did and they ended up coming around I think that's what he's waiting on

[flyin2jz]

What if we started a poll on whether to bring him back on the site with his user name. If the po shows people want him back on then un ban him. I understand I don't know the reason he was banned but it would still be good to have some life around here other than Craig

[Maximus]

What if we started a poll on whether to bring him back on the site with his user name. If the po shows people want him back on then un ban him. I understand I don't know the reason he was banned but it would still be good to have some life around here other than Craig

All good in theory, but the poll doesnt pay the bills or make the rules.

AND, he poked at the wrong person one too many times and he knew exactly what he was doing and got the ban. Ask him, he will tell you exactly that.

Time to drop this.

[Metcalf Racing]

Yeah the yougotjunk name is done forever. I think he will be back just under a different name. I wasn't willing to do that but I got banned last time so I couldn't defend Rob not for causing trouble. Lol. Its all good. I agree with Craig and we should just let the topic die

[RIXXX93GT]

Craig your avitar cracks me up everytime I look at it.

[Maximus]

I had a dancing Milk carton, but it wouldnt upload. :(

Soooo, anyone running in this Heat tonight??

[Timido]

I thought about it but after being in it all day I will pass. It was 112 heat index in the shop.

[fasthawk]

dart killer :bigthumb

Thats the same thing a certain black mustang thought to , he sold it and had to start over .

[JASON408]

Thats the same thing a certain black mustang thought to , he sold it and had to start over .

:lol:what your not helping this time

[fasthawk]

:lol:what your not helping this time

I have to much of my own junk to work on right now.

[fasthawk]

How did old fruit salad due at the umtr in columbus.

[JASON408]

think he might have broke out . think he looked over and seen blue and said no blue car is ever going to beat me so he sayed in it

[fasthawk]

think he might have broke out . think he looked over and seen blue and said no blue car is ever going to beat me so he sayed in it

Thats what happens when your ego gets the best of a person.

[JASON408]

Thats what happens when your ego gets the best of a person.

true ..

[Metcalf Racing]

Here we go again! Its almost time for the tracks to open! Time to get out and have some fun! Same "rules" as last year (as greatly outlined by Vinny and Craig):

Vinny said it best. It was his idea to see the areas fastest STREET Mustangs & Capris. In his words:




Originally Posted by :
Originally Posted by vinny5oh
Here ya go.....

Also, you can expect things to shake out at the end of this season to level the street-car vs race-car issue. We're going to pick a test and tune day at the end of the season, have all potential dozen members meet at a set location and DRIVE to the track and make passes. This will weed out the 5 gallon fuel cell race cars, prove their street credibility as well as keep the list local. If you can't make a test and tune session around here then you aren't local. We may recquire that all dozen list members attend the fall cruise-in as well to once again prove their street creds as well as their involvement with this site. We don't need one-post-wonders claiming to be a SBZ member, making the cut and leaving somebody off the list with more of a street car and more time on this site.

So with that, I'll start the first round.
"His car isn't really a street car" is something I hear a lot. Problem is, everybody's opinion on what a true street car is will be different. As the rules sit right now, a street car is defined as having license, tags and insurance. I made it this way only to parallel the NMRA Wild Street definition. This is probably the toughest one to call so making these cars come out on the street to stay on the list will make things more fair in my opinion. This can be accomplished by requiring the cars to drive to the track at least once and/or showing up at our big cruise-ins.

Remember kids, this is for fun, bragging rights and a decal....nothing more. No big money prizes, no sponsorship deals, no trophies....just some good ole boys bringing out their cars and putting a beating on 1320 feet of tarmac!

Thanks for reading








Here ill post here since I am no longer allowed to post in the other thread. I just went back and read this for my self and I guess I was wrong. But however it does say umtr so those tracks should be included. Getting rid of the list will only lessen Stangbanger board activity. Its a problem every year because so many want to make the list. Everyone is competitive. The post count thing is a little sketchy but I've got more than enough so it really doesn't concern me. So if I get my car and engine back in time ill see about winning by the rules

[Metcalf Racing]

A Participating member of Stangbangerz. That means, you show up to SBZ events, you show up to some SBZ get-togethers, you also make one of the following:
-Running of the Ponys
-Running of the Dozen
-Local T&T at E20 or TS with fellow SBZ members
-Running of the UMTR with fellow SBZ
-Attend the SBZ Track day in July
The Dirty Dozen was started by Vinny to get ALL of us motivated to come out and enjoy our Stangs together. We all know Vinny loved being with everyone at the track and he looked forward to racing along side each of us.

-A true street, Ford powered Mustang/Capri with insurance, tags and registration matching the car.

-Owner may have had help building his/her car, but they will race it. No hired shoes to race for them.

-If you break, blow up, change combo, your off the list till you re-run the car. All times before are void. No "one hit" wonders. If fail to post up that you broke to delibratey stay on the list, you are off...PERMANENTLY.

Oh and one more thing...it is STRONGLY suggested you have the NHRA level safety equipment for whatever times you are running. Its not a requirement, but we want to be sure everyone is safe while they are having fun. Besides, most tracks now require the proper equipment.









Sorry here is where it says umtr. This should allow the umtr tracks

[fasthawk]

The post count thing is just plain crazy. You cant be on the computer and working on a car at the same time. Maybe some people would have faster cars if they got away from the keyboard.

[Metcalf Racing]

Oh I'd say for sure. Some of them may actually get a car

[flyin2jz]

Craig when's the running of the dozen day? I know I'm not on the dozen so does that keep my from running in the event because my post count is low and don't know a ton of the guys?

[Metcalf Racing]

You've posted enough lately to make the list

[stocknotch]

Nope...Black cars aren't allowed. Rule #137

[Maximus]

Craig when's the running of the dozen day? I know I'm not on the dozen so does that keep my from running in the event because my post count is low and don't know a ton of the guys?

Im having an ALL CAR Shootout on Sept 18th. Meet at a location, DRIVE to the track and bust em off!! Thats the only rule.


You've posted enough lately to make the list

There will be cars from other forums there so Run what ya brung.



Nope...Black cars aren't allowed. Rule #137


Black, Pink, Magenta, Primer, Rust, I dont give a shit what color it is. Drive your heap, run at the track! Pretty simple.:flipoff:

[Metcalf Racing]

We're probably going to show up with a. Whole lot of seriousness.

[Jake]

how many posts do you need? i have bought parts from members and met a few at the track. from what i have seen i agree with what some others have said, i am on sbz a decent amount. sometimes just to learn, or look for the latest parts for sale. and i really only chime in when i think i can help. but i dont think a post count is needed. then on the other hand i can see that you guys are trying to make sure that only true bangerz can be on the list. im not anywhere close to making the dd. just curios is all.
thanks
-jake

[Maximus]

We're probably going to show up with a. Whole lot of seriousness.

How many?

[black90lx]

so are bikes allowed for this since there is the "other dozen"?

[Maximus]

so are bikes allowed for this since there is the "other dozen"?

I would rather see vehicles with 4 wheels, but they are welcome. I wont be giving them a Top 12 sticker, but they will get a "event" sticker.:)

[flyin2jz]

What track is it at and where are we meeting at?

[331TwistedWedge]

hopefully im done and ready to roll ... thats the plan at least ...

[Metcalf Racing]

How many?

Should have 8.70-10.80 Range: The Giant Squid
El Diablo
The Black Monte
SLNT BLU
The Cracker

High 11's we should have: The (BC)
Grape APE


Possibly -The 80 COBRA
The 03 COBRA

[9cobra4]

Sweet nicknames.

[draggin50]

I got the Tan Turd but it wont be ready! Maybe next year!

[Maximus]

WTF is up with all the Nicknames? How about you put a description next to the name so I know what Im looking at.

Thanks!:bigthumb

[Metcalf Racing]

I didn't name them. That's just what they are

[draggin50]

Can ya post up some pictures of them? I wanna know the cars when I see them!!!

[cobra429boss]

Giant squid is 87 notch black
el diabo, member name stocknotch on here, maroon notch
black monte , well that explains it self ..

[draggin50]

And the Cracker must be white???

[Metcalf Racing]

Oh yeah now your catching on

[draggin50]

Oh yeah now your catching on

Im just a little slow! Sounds like some bad ass little rides! If I could ever get mine going on keep one I'll have to come up that way to play!

[stocknotch]

El Diablo is mine. Its just a maroon notchback with a few bolt ons, lol. The BC is a black 98 LS1 camaro owned by former member Yougotjunk. The grape ape is a purple 90lx owned by Metcalf. The Cracker is a white 89 notchback which also belongs to Yougotjunk. The Giant Squid is a black 87 notchback thats bonestock other than a gear and exhaust. Hope this clears everything up.

[cobra429boss]

Should have 8.70-10.80 Range: The Giant Squid
El Diablo
The Black Monte
SLNT BLU
The Cracker

High 11's we should have: The (BC)
Grape APE


Possibly -The 80 COBRA
The 03 COBRA

!/8th mile he forgot to mention

[cobra429boss]

El Diablo is mine. Its just a maroon notchback with a few bolt ons, lol. The BC is a black 98 LS1 camaro owned by former member Yougotjunk. The grape ape is a purple 90lx owned by Metcalf. The Cracker is a white 89 notchback which also belongs to Yougotjunk. The Giant Squid is a black 87 notchback thats bonestock other than a gear and exhaust. Hope this clears everything up.

hell yeah Giant squid should pick up a bit did he get him some flow daddy mufflers LOL

[JASON408]

all i know is that someone came up thursday at kil kare and showed me there time slip from a shut down run and it was runing pretty good to the 1/8 .. very easy 8 second pass . not sure his nick name ... but fast :bigthumb

[stocknotch]

all i know is that someone came up thursday at kil kare and showed me there time slip from a shut down run and it was runing pretty good to the 1/8 .. very easy 8 second pass . not sure his nick name ... but fast :bigthumb

LOL!!! Nice...

[Metcalf Racing]

Little gear swap and it should be ready for the 18th

[flyin2jz]

What track Craig? Where are we meeting

[cobra429boss]

Tri state and meeting at kmart by the bass pro shop

[Yellowstang]

so if you dont meet there your not in it?

[facemelter71]

You have to meet there and SIGN IN for the Street Car Shootout.

[Maximus]

I would like to see the rules kept the same and the whining stop but i live in a dream world most of the time :lol: I hope next year we can bring all the old dogs back in and get this list flying .I know alot of people got tired of the whining and just stoped posting . I would like to see everyone come back and lets have some fun . I had my resons last year for not posting but bet your ass i will be posting next year. There is nothing better then getting all of us toghter making passes and hanging out . I can wait till next year !

I dont recall seeing you on the list this year? :angel:

:popcorn:

[rtvickers]

Will there be a list of events posted for next year? Im new to this site so sorry for the stupid questions. But Im interested in making the list. I dont know any of you guys but I do recognize some of the cars from the track. And I know you guys are going to rip me apart for asking this but why do is called E20?

Thanks

[Walter]

Will there be a list of events posted for next year? Im new to this site so sorry for the stupid questions. But Im interested in making the list. I dont know any of you guys but I do recognize some of the cars from the track. And I know you guys are going to rip me apart for asking this but why do is called E20?

Thanks

Edgewater = E20

[rtvickers]

Edgewater = E20

Why do you call Edgewater E20?

[dsmawd350]

e is for edgewater. 20 is for water like h20.

try to follow along i know your from newport/bellevue and all :lol:

[beefcake]

e is for edgewater. 20 is for water like h20.

try to follow along i know your from newport/bellevue and all :lol:

lmfao

[JASON408]

I dont recall seeing you on the list this year? :angel:

:popcorn:

PROB WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ENOUGH POSTS:bigthumb:lol:

[Maximus]

PROB WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ENOUGH POSTS:bigthumb:lol:

You sold the old car anyway. Did you keep all the DD stickers off the back window? I think you had them all, didnt ya?:bigthumb

[JASON408]

ya i was number 3 every year but last . going for 3rd place in the shootout next year so i can get another 3 sticker :bigthumb

[Maximus]

ya i was number 3 every year but last . going for 3rd place in the shootout next year so i can get another 3 sticker :bigthumb

#3?? Turn it up!! :D