Nitrous?

[2007ShelbyCobra]

so. what is the rough cost of installing a nitrous kit on my stock 04 Mach 1. What kind of safe hp could I make? What kind of "shot" or size jet would I run? Whats the difference between a wet and dry kit? Does it need dyno tuned? Im thinking of going this route, and also, how often and how much will it be for refills? Does there need to be any holes put in the car frame or things for mounting? Do I need a bottle heater?
thanks!

[blacksn95]

if you are mechanicly inclined a nitrous kit is a easy install wet kit would be safer and i probly wouldnt go more than a 150 shot and nx kits ftw.

[306Power]

Well heres the basic difference between a wet and dry kit, wet kits have an extra solenoid to supply the fuel the motor will demand. Dry kits do not however have this extra solenoid to supply fuel. Dynoing a dry kit is basically a must. For that car I would think a 100 shot would be good IMO. Depending on how you want to mount depends on whether holes have to be drilled. The most typical way to mount is drilling through the trunk, I think you have to drop the fuel tank to do that. Make sure you have the bottle at the right degree angle for maximum flowing or you'll never get the right Nitrous Pressure. A bottle heater isnt "needed" but would be REALLY helpful, espicially on those cool Fall nights. I would also run a window switch as well, that way your not killing the tires going through every gear. If your spraying through all RPM's on street tires you can kiss traction good bye. A 10 LB bottle filled will probably give you around 10-15 1/4 mile passes, thats the best guess I can personally give you. I'm sure others know A LOT more, but I hope this little helps.

[2007ShelbyCobra]

hmmm, I just had another thought, that lovely little bill they have been trying to pass wouldnt like my idea...
thanks for the help

[SpoonyGT]

It passed already I believe and we don't need you having nitrous potter. You will kill yourself and someoneelse.

[djom1cincy]

For all your questions check out mach1registy.com. What I've read on them is 450hp is all the motor can handle.

[JA04GT]

Well i have a zex wet kit on my 04 gt . im only spraying a 100 shot right now they actually tell you in the directions not to do more than 75 without a tune. Will be going to a 150 shot after a focus fuel pump and a tune. A bottle heater is a must you can not believe the difference in a bottle with good pressure in it. It costs about 45 dollars to fill the bottle. Got to drill about six or eight small holes to mount stuff. Besides that man it feels good when you crack into it with the juice on it:bigthumb

[black90lx]

Well heres the basic difference between a wet and dry kit, wet kits have an extra solenoid to supply the fuel the motor will demand. Dry kits do not however have this extra solenoid to supply fuel. Dynoing a dry kit is basically a must. For that car I would think a 100 shot would be good IMO. Depending on how you want to mount depends on whether holes have to be drilled. The most typical way to mount is drilling through the trunk, I think you have to drop the fuel tank to do that. Make sure you have the bottle at the right degree angle for maximum flowing or you'll never get the right Nitrous Pressure. A bottle heater isnt "needed" but would be REALLY helpful, espicially on those cool Fall nights. I would also run a window switch as well, that way your not killing the tires going through every gear. If your spraying through all RPM's on street tires you can kiss traction good bye. A 10 LB bottle filled will probably give you around 10-15 1/4 mile passes, thats the best guess I can personally give you. I'm sure others know A LOT more, but I hope this little helps.

a dry kit will not let you have nitrouse explosions like a wet kit because the fuel will not puddle up in the intake. a dry kit is alot safer. if the bottle is mounted in the bottle brackets then it will be at the right angle. you WILL NOT get 10-15 passes out of a bottle unless you are spraying like a 50 shot. a bottle heater is a good thing to have, you will get more passes out of a bottle and keep the pressure up where it should be. a wet kit and low bottle pressure will make it run like shit. if you run low on bottle pressure on a dry kit it won't spike the fuel pressure and won't add a shit load of fuel.

[cstreu1026]

a dry kit will not let you have nitrouse explosions like a wet kit because the fuel will not puddle up in the intake. a dry kit is alot safer. if the bottle is mounted in the bottle brackets then it will be at the right angle. you WILL NOT get 10-15 passes out of a bottle unless you are spraying like a 50 shot. a bottle heater is a good thing to have, you will get more passes out of a bottle and keep the pressure up where it should be. a wet kit and low bottle pressure will make it run like shit. if you run low on bottle pressure on a dry kit it won't spike the fuel pressure and won't add a shit load of fuel.

With a dry kit on a mod motor you have to get a tune. You can't up the fuel pressure or change the timing without it. So if you run low on bottle pressure you are still going to be adding a shit load of fuel on a nitrous tune with not as much nitrous. Now it's not going to puddle in the intake but the car will still run rich.

[SpoonyGT]

Well i have a zex wet kit on my 04 gt . im only spraying a 100 shot right now they actually tell you in the directions not to do more than 75 without a tune. Will be going to a 150 shot after a focus fuel pump and a tune. A bottle heater is a must you can not believe the difference in a bottle with good pressure in it. It costs about 45 dollars to fill the bottle. Got to drill about six or eight small holes to mount stuff. Besides that man it feels good when you crack into it with the juice on it:bigthumb

Did you install your own kit? I'm buying a kit after I do cams this spring maybe you could help with install.

[black90lx]

With a dry kit on a mod motor you have to get a tune. You can't up the fuel pressure or change the timing without it. So if you run low on bottle pressure you are still going to be adding a shit load of fuel on a nitrous tune with not as much nitrous. Now it's not going to puddle in the intake but the car will still run rich.

a dry nitrous kit hooks into the vacuum line on the fuel pressure regulator and spikes fuel pressure when you spray it and makes the injectors spray more fuel instead of spraying fuel in your intake and soaking it with gas. thats where you get your bad nitrous explosion's is from puddling fuel in the intake.

[cstreu1026]

And a Mach 1 doesn't have a traditional fuel pressure regulator since it's a returnless fuel system. Fuel pressure is regulated through voltage to the fuel pump.

[JA04GT]

Did you install your own kit? I'm buying a kit after I do cams this spring maybe you could help with install.

Yeah i did it myself it was pretty straight forward. Hardest part was getting my fat arms above the fuel tank to start the mount bolts cause i didnt feel like dropping the tank all the way.:lol: But yeah i can lend you a hand with yours if you want buddy.:bigthumb

[black90lx]

And a Mach 1 doesn't have a traditional fuel pressure regulator since it's a returnless fuel system. Fuel pressure is regulated through voltage to the fuel pump.

my bad i never researched them cuz i never waanted one. that is pretty gay they set it up that. why would they?

[NXcoupe]

my bad i never researched them cuz i never waanted one. that is pretty gay they set it up that. why would they?

Well, the reasoning behind it is due to emissions regulations. Having a return style system is a bunch easier to work with. However, it also constantly recycles fuel causing the fuel to slosh and become airborne, this causes pressure in the tank, the pressure has to be relieved by purging it into the engine, and it will also get into the atmosphere when the fuel cap is taken off.
So to combat evaporative emmisions(fuel evaporating into the air), they went to a returnless system, so the fuel is under constant pressure but not being sloshed and returned to the tank. So to keep the pump from burning up, they pulse it, on off on off on off, and so on, leaving it on longer and off shorter periods to increase delivery. Hope that explains it for ya.

[black90lx]

Well, the reasoning behind it is due to emissions regulations. Having a return style system is a bunch easier to work with. However, it also constantly recycles fuel causing the fuel to slosh and become airborne, this causes pressure in the tank, the pressure has to be relieved by purging it into the engine, and it will also get into the atmosphere when the fuel cap is taken off.
So to combat evaporative emmisions(fuel evaporating into the air), they went to a returnless system, so the fuel is under constant pressure but not being sloshed and returned to the tank. So to keep the pump from burning up, they pulse it, on off on off on off, and so on, leaving it on longer and off shorter periods to increase delivery. Hope that explains it for ya.

yea it does make sense. i still think it is dumb. so why aren't the rest of the mustangs like that?

[cstreu1026]

Anythign from 99 and newer is. The poor owners of the 98 mustang really get screwed though because it is a bastardized hybrid of the return and returnless systems.

[Metcalf Racing]

With a dry kit on a mod motor you have to get a tune. You can't up the fuel pressure or change the timing without it. So if you run low on bottle pressure you are still going to be adding a shit load of fuel on a nitrous tune with not as much nitrous. Now it's not going to puddle in the intake but the car will still run rich.

Well I hate to burst your bubble but my 97 cobra had a single silonoid nozzel dry kit with a 65 pill and it worked great. I also had a similar set up on my 00GT and it worked great. A tune is not a must have. But you must spray through the mass air

[cstreu1026]

You're not bursting any bubble. As far as I know there is no reliable way to add fuel or pull timiing on a returnless fuel system on a 99+ mod motor with out a tune of some sort. You might be able to get away with colder plugs and a small shot of nitrous on a factory tune but if you get greedy you are going to end up ventilating some pistons. What would spraying through the mass air meter accomplish?

[k062693w]

Like it matters guys !!! I would be willing to bet money that his Mach never sees nitrous while he owns it !!! And if he does I want to know anytime he leaves the house so I can stay home !!! I've seen the videos of the Ricer flybys him and his dad do, So I can imagine what it would be like with him having spray !!! LMAO

[cstreu1026]

Good point Aaron. :D

[Metcalf Racing]

You're not bursting any bubble. As far as I know there is no reliable way to add fuel or pull timiing on a returnless fuel system on a 99+ mod motor with out a tune of some sort. You might be able to get away with colder plugs and a small shot of nitrous on a factory tune but if you get greedy you are going to end up ventilating some pistons. What would spraying through the mass air meter accomplish?

Are you serious? It adds fuel and removes timming

[cstreu1026]

The MAF calculations in the computer are based on air not nitrous oxide. That also doesn't take in to account the pressures at which the nitrous is introduced. Maybe I am over-thinking it but I don't think it's possible to the stock computer to accurately compensate for the introduction if nitrous before the MAF. I would bet that if you were to datalog the car on a dyno while running a dry nitrous kit that way you would see all sorts of crazy things happening. It may work with a small shot on a mostly stock car but I wouldn't trust it.

[Metcalf Racing]

The MAF calculations in the computer are based on air not nitrous oxide. That also doesn't take in to account the pressures at which the nitrous is introduced. Maybe I am over-thinking it but I don't think it's possible to the stock computer to accurately compensate for the introduction if nitrous before the MAF. I would bet that if you were to datalog the car on a dyno while running a dry nitrous kit that way you would see all sorts of crazy things happening. It may work with a small shot on a mostly stock car but I wouldn't trust it.

Guess that's why my cars are fast and everyone sits around talking about how to make theirs fast. I use dry kits on everything. Ford and chevy. Don't use the mass air and see what happens

[NXcoupe]

You're not bursting any bubble. As far as I know there is no reliable way to add fuel or pull timiing on a returnless fuel system on a 99+ mod motor with out a tune of some sort. You might be able to get away with colder plugs and a small shot of nitrous on a factory tune but if you get greedy you are going to end up ventilating some pistons. What would spraying through the mass air meter accomplish?

It fools the computer into thinking the air is coming in at -20 degrees or so and injects a higher percentage of fuel accordingly. It's not very accurate, but it seems to work alright. It won't retard timing tho, it actually adds timing in to compensate for the extra fuel and colder air. I never trusted or liked them personally.

[NXcoupe]

Oh, and I run a dry kit on nearly everything as well, including my race car. My red coupe has a fogger which is obviously wet.

[PonymanfiveO]

Your race car looks good in the new 5.0 magazine this month Mike! :bigthumb

People always about shit when I tell them you run a dry kit on that thing and what jet sizes you run. :D

[NXcoupe]

Yeah man, I finally got it going this year where I feel satisfied with it. Thanks for getting it out and in the mags man!

[Squale iii]

so. what is the rough cost of installing a nitrous kit on my stock 04 Mach 1. What kind of safe hp could I make? What kind of "shot" or size jet would I run? Whats the difference between a wet and dry kit? Does it need dyno tuned? Im thinking of going this route, and also, how often and how much will it be for refills? Does there need to be any holes put in the car frame or things for mounting? Do I need a bottle heater?
thanks!

Nitrous isn't going to help you. Maybe you can beat that stock G8 that you lost to if you spray him...LOL. And whoever said 10-15 passes from a bottle is out of their mind. I didn't run a bottle heater and I would advise using one...unless you feel safe blow torching that shit in your trunk...I remember those days...It's crazy I'm still alive LOL.

[306Power]

And whoever said 10-15 passes from a bottle is out of their mind.

Ok so I had a friend with a Honda on a 75 shot get 12 runs in on one IIRC, at the time I posted my response I wasnt really thinking clearly about being a different shot, car, and etc. Sorry I'll remember to be precise next time Mom.

[black90lx]

on a 125 shot i think i got 3 or 4 good passes, then after that it went to shit

[2007ShelbyCobra]

stfu Tony :) the car probably had around 400 at the rear wheels

[Squale iii]

stfu Tony :) the car probably had around 400 at the rear wheels

No, I have around 400 at the wheels. That G8 was probably stock with flowmasters. Also consider that car probably weighs over 4000lbs. You're Mach 1 is just a factory freak, a super slow one lol.

[SpoonyGT]

Lol ur an idiot kid. A G8 GT makes around 315rwhp and a GXP makes around 350rwhp not 400 and like tony said they weigh two tons.

[Squale iii]

Lol ur an idiot kid. A G8 GT makes around 315rwhp and a GXP makes around 350rwhp not 400 and like tony said they weigh two tons.

^this

[SpoonyGT]

Its ok I bet he thinks his mach make 315rwhp lol

[nsaniti]

Its ok I bet he thinks his mach make 315rwhp lol

^ this also. lmao. and spoony you going with wet or dry? dry kits are simple shit on these cars.

[SpoonyGT]

I'm thinking wet honestly. I'm gonna order a plate from UPR with threading for the nitrous instead of drilling into my intake.I'm ordering some CMS stage 2 cams, beehive springs, and a zex kit with a window switch in april when I get my taxes back as well.

[Squale iii]

I'm thinking wet honestly. I'm gonna order a plate from UPR with threading for the nitrous instead of drilling into my intake.I'm ordering some CMS stage 2 cams, beehive springs, and a zex kit with a window switch in april when I get my taxes back as well.

This wedding is hindering my upgrades lol... The "to do list" for the vert still looks like this:

$2300-AFR 205s
$250 -ARP head stud kit
$780 -ZR1 deep dish 17x9.5's and 17x11's OEWheels knockoffs with tires
$2000+ - rear end with 4.30 or 4.56 gear

I think that just about sums it up lol.

[SpoonyGT]

Those Zr1 wheels are slick. I would do 4.56 gear. Only other thing I'm going to do is port my stock heads, aluminum DS, and pulleys. I'm just gonna buy two 17x10 bullit knockoffs and have kenny powder coat them black.

[Squale iii]

nice nice. I love having long highway gears, so I dunno what gear I'm gonna do. It could be awhile before I get a gear tho, b/c if I can make the 10 bolt last after the heads I will milk that bitch for what she's worth. I have a feeling when I take her to the track with heads tho that rear end is toast.

[SpoonyGT]

Lol I was going to ask if you had a built rear cause that thing is gonna be toast when you get the heads. What r u looking for power wise?

[Squale iii]

I could guess all day, but since AFRs make less peak hp than TFS (from what I'm told) I'd guess 465-470ish. My buddy has an 02 ss. He has the same cam (g5x3), same ported intake mani (fast 92/92 ported by tracey), TFS 215 heads, a 4.10 gear (loses roughly 8hp i'm told on the dyno) and a FULL LENGTH restrictive ass slp dual dual catback, made 472rwhp. I figure with my higher flowing exhaust and 3.42s I outta make 480whp (if i went TFS). I assume I'll make within 10whp-15whp of his number. I'll probably end up staying on street tires and just running 12s@120+ w/2.2 60 foots for the sake of my rear end LOL. That or I'll just launch lightly on my MT's and hammer it after it hooks.

[SpoonyGT]

Sounds like a plan. I've been following some threads about these cams and spray I'm buying. I'm hoping with low 12s high 11s at 118-120 on a 125 shot.

[Squale iii]

That'd be pretty sick for a convertible 4.6! Verts FTW!

[nsaniti]

I'm thinking wet honestly. I'm gonna order a plate from UPR with threading for the nitrous instead of drilling into my intake.I'm ordering some CMS stage 2 cams, beehive springs, and a zex kit with a window switch in april when I get my taxes back as well.

sounds like a nice little setup you've got planned, let me know when you get all that in.

[SpoonyGT]

It should be a decent little street car setup nothing extrem but fun.

[nsaniti]

ehh should do pretty good for a 2v :] although i still wanna pick on potter with the 2vs hahaha

[2007ShelbyCobra]

make a new fucking thread, everyone gets off topic and then talks shit on a thread just asking a simple question. If I gave a shit about what people think about my car or my driving skills, then I would make a thread about that, its sbz, not css.

[2007ShelbyCobra]

you guys said it yourselves, its sooo heavy right, but is neck and neck, or slightly pulls a 356 rwhp mustang? .... so the g8 being 370-390 rwhp is possible, and I said probably, not for sure hp.


jeeez

[87stangbbb]

^^^lmao

[nsaniti]

lol potter im a little lost in this rage fit of yours, but im assuming you're talking about the 6 liter g8s? try barely over 350hp lol.
wanna race some stock-ish 2vs? :]

[2007ShelbyCobra]

your fucking mental... its not stock
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2004-Mustang-vs-2009-G8_725011.htm

[nsaniti]

your fucking mental... its not stock
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2004-Mustang-vs-2009-G8_725011.htm

oh right, i forgot exhaust, chip, and CAI qualifies as heavily modified in your book. right-o. anyways, run some stock-ish 2vs?

[2007ShelbyCobra]

im done here

[nsaniti]

lol ragequit? but really.. yes/no?

[Squale iii]

im done here

RACE HIM YA PUSSSY! lol

[nsaniti]

RACE HIM YA PUSSSY! lol

lmfao it was worth a shot.. guess i shouldve told him it was a v6 :lol:

[SpoonyGT]

lol uhhh how is a cam only 2v making 356rwhp???? Was the swap in a 2v or 4v motor? Guys with trickflow intake manifold, stage 2 cams and heads are making 350rwhp. If it just had cams and support the most its making is 315rwhp.

[nsaniti]

lol uhhh how is a cam only 2v making 356rwhp???? Was the swap in a 2v or 4v motor? Guys with trickflow intake manifold, stage 2 cams and heads are making 350rwhp. If it just had cams and support the most its making is 315rwhp.

lmfao i was thinking the same thing.. i just figured potter would try to rebuttle with the "supporting mods" lol. who knows.

[SpoonyGT]

lol I guess nitrous is a suporting mod then haha there is a guy on mustangforums making 479rwhp on a 150 shot with bolt ons and cms stage II cams. 118-122 traps

[nsaniti]

idk he seems to think CAI handheld tuner and exhaust on the g8 puts it upwards of 400rwhp so who knows :D