460 in fox

[cirinoec69]

i know this is for the windsors. i dont know where else to put it. wat would be needed to put 460 in a notch. i have t5 just any help would be killer. since looks like my notch aint gonna sell ill probably go big block since i think it be cheaper

[Metcalf Racing]

My notch has a 460. But I have a c6 tranny

[mustangboy]

Honestly to do it right it won't be any cheaper. From someone who has done both I would do a 347 or even a nice 306. It cost a few bucks for the swap parts and then to do the big block with the right heads and part will cost more than a small block build. You can make some big power but it will still cost you.

[Squale iii]

Ya, by the time you do a half-ass swap, just do a nice, properly set up 306 or 347 and you'll be much happier.

[Metcalf Racing]

Gay. We'll see when you guys park your 300cubes beside my man motor

[mustangboy]

I'm all for doing a big block swap but don't just do it because you think it will be cheap. A nice small block or even windsor is much easier to do on a budget.

[Metcalf Racing]

I like a windsor

[Squale iii]

I'm all for doing a big block swap but don't just do it because you think it will be cheap. A nice small block or even windsor is much easier to do on a budget.

+1. I WELL BUILT 347 would be a much better performer than a half-assed budget build 351...that's just my opinion though.

[Metcalf Racing]

Well your opinion is wrong

[Squale iii]

NOOOOOO lol...unless that "half-assed budget 351" had spray in the budget...then I'd contemplate my original response ;)

[stocknotch]

There's no replacement for displacement. And yes, a turbo on a smallblock does work well....but a turbo on a bigblock works real well too!! lol

[mustangboy]

I agree with all that has been said but the key word was cheaper

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hey metcalf how good do you have that big block car hooking vs. a small block car?

I know a guy in Mt. Orab with a 540ci Nova and we've talked about this 100 times. His car makes a tad over 800hp and doesn't hook for shit because it's so nose heavy. He's said a bunch of times if he could do it over he'd build a built small block with a turbo.

Although i bet a big enough turbo and intercooler plus all the pipes would almost make up for the extra weight of an aluminum head big block?

[Metcalf Racing]

So far I've had no problems. It leaves packing the wheels. I know of 3 or 4 of the around here that hook great. I thought it was going to be a problem but so far I like it

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

What do you have done suspension wise? Tubular K etc?

[Stangman]

So far I've had no problems. It leaves packing the wheels. I know of 3 or 4 of the around here that hook great. I thought it was going to be a problem but so far I like it

I would LOVE to see your car... I'm gathering parts for my 460 coupe... Thinking of going TKO600 for more street fun, I'd love to see how your car is set up/put together.


Oh and Ian... with talking to a LOT of bellhousing manufacturers, and researching on the internet... a t5 behind a 460 is next to impossible. I thought a guy could use a toploader bellhousing and use the toploader to T5 adapter plate and make it work... so far, I have not been able to locate an adapter for a Big Block Toploader bellhousing. It's all small block stuff. Plus a 460 (unless extremely babied) would shred a T5. Screw it, I'll save or get a loan or whatever and get a TKO and a bell, and it will be cable operated and do it right the first time.... one of these days.

[cirinoec69]

thanks to all i was just wondering since i found a c6 and complete 460 on craigslist. i was gonna do somethin like a junk yard build. not a completely built engine. i just want to get in the 12s didn't know if 460 with intake and carb. maybe heads would run that

[mustangboy]

Be sure what year the engine is. The later model f/i 460's are not compatible with carb style intakes, at least I'm pretty sure they are not. Go to 460ford.com there is alot of info there that will help you make your decision.

[Metcalf Racing]

You really just need to be sure you have at least a dove head. If you have those the car will run deep in the 12's with hardly anything. My car ran high 10's NA with ported dove heads.

As for suspension my car has a stock K member and it was a high 10 sec car on the motor and I was hitting it with 300 and traction wasn't an issue. I'm shooting for high 9's na this go round.

Let me know if you are looking for anything.. I'm on the fence with a head and cam swap

[cirinoec69]

damn. i found a 1974 460 with c6 for $400. so wit heads and intake so bout a grand id be in 12s easy

[Metcalf Racing]

does it have heads? if so I'd just buy a cam and intake

[mustangboy]

Don't forget it is almost another grand for swap headers, oil pan and mounts. Then you may also have to shorten your driveshaft. If you haven't done so check out 460ford.com. They have covered the swap numerous time and can tell you exactly what you need.

[Stangman]

damn. i found a 1974 460 with c6 for $400. so wit heads and intake so bout a grand id be in 12s easy

Is it a Lincoln engine/trans?

I've HEARD that Lincoln 460's dont have the same spots on the block for the motor mounts... maybe that is just for when putting them in a truck... idk

I also think tailshaft length comes in to play somewhere too with C6's, but I could be wrong

I wanted to do a C4 setup in mine when I first fathomed this project, but apparently finding a C4 big block bellhousing is impossible unless you buy the JW ultrabell.

Also, there is a guy in texas that makes 1 1/2" spacers that go between the frame rails and the K member to drop the engine down.

check out www.bigblockfox.com

There is a link there to a guy that adapts the 5.0L engine brackets to a 460 so you can run ALL of your stock accessories... A/C, PS, reverse rotation water pump, stock clutch fan, the whole nine yards!!

[Ranger50]

Is it a Lincoln engine/trans?

I've HEARD that Lincoln 460's dont have the same spots on the block for the motor mounts... maybe that is just for when putting them in a truck... idk
Only the transmission is different. the block is the same. Unless you get one of those pos 462's.....


I also think tailshaft length comes in to play somewhere too with C6's, but I could be wrong
See above.


I wanted to do a C4 setup in mine when I first fathomed this project, but apparently finding a C4 big block bellhousing is impossible unless you buy the JW ultrabell.
You need a 351M/400 bellhousing.


Also, there is a guy in texas that makes 1 1/2" spacers that go between the frame rails and the K member to drop the engine down.
I don't think Bob is making any of those right now. It isn't hard to make them anyways, just need the tubing and a drill press.


check out www.bigblockfox.com
Outdated, but still somewhat revelant.


There is a link there to a guy that adapts the 5.0L engine brackets to a 460 so you can run ALL of your stock accessories... A/C, PS, reverse rotation water pump, stock clutch fan, the whole nine yards!!
If you find a OBS F250/350, all the brackets are there and are the same as the 5.0's just sized for the 460 stuff. Meaning you can just unbolt the 5.0 stuff and bolt it to the new brackets.

Brian

[Stangman]

Only the transmission is different. the block is the same. Unless you get one of those pos 462's.....


See above.

That is what I thought...



You need a 351M/400 bellhousing.

I'd love to find one. Do you know where I could get one?



I don't think Bob is making any of those right now. It isn't hard to make them anyways, just need the tubing and a drill press.

He made me a set just last year.



Outdated, but still somewhat revelant.

Yes, but the links are nice... that is how I got the spacers and learned about the brackets.



If you find a OBS F250/350, all the brackets are there and are the same as the 5.0's just sized for the 460 stuff. Meaning you can just unbolt the 5.0 stuff and bolt it to the new brackets.

Brian

OBS? Please... give me more info on this these? I am willing to go junkyard hunting like yesterday if it saves me a few bucks from having some one make them :bigthumb

[Ranger50]

OBS=old body style, aka pre-97's.

[Ranger50]

And you can find the bellhousing/trans, it will be case mount instead of pump mount, in the mid to late 70's 3/4 tons. You might have to get a 4x4 trans and convert to rwd, but that isn't hard to do.

[Stangman]

And you can find the bellhousing/trans, it will be case mount instead of pump mount, in the mid to late 70's 3/4 tons. You might have to get a 4x4 trans and convert to rwd, but that isn't hard to do.

Thanks for clearing up the body style thing...

Also, are these the pan fill or case fill units? I heard that would determine the way the bell mounts on it.

[Metcalf Racing]

I knew a guys several years ago who had one with a stock hood. He said his had 78 ford truck mounts.

[Metcalf Racing]

Oh and my car has a stock oil pan

[Stangman]

I knew a guys several years ago who had one with a stock hood. He said his had 78 ford truck mounts.

Really? that is good to know if my ford racing mounts are too high after lowering the K member. I've heard that if the 460 came from a van, the oil pan is about as close to a fox pan as it gets... maybe you have a van pan.

[Ranger50]

Pan fill.

The FRPP pan is a stock truck/van pan.

Brian