Stage this or stage that...

[cstreu1026]

So I am surfing moddedmustangs.com and wow are there some truly ignorant and misinformed folks on there. A lot of people appear to be separated from the ricer community only by owning a rear wheel drive car.. Anyway in the mod motor section people keep referring to stage 1 this or stage 2 that. What the fock does that mean? How about you post some actual specs to go with the cams rather that saying stage 1 or 2 or 2 million when you are asking for advice on what you need to do with your latest round of up-grades.

[INSANEBA]

Lol the only "stage" I know comonly referred to, is a TFS camshaft. But you will have idiots saying all kinds of dumb shit just to sound better. I remember hearing "it's got a 3/4 cam in it, yada yada. I would always ask,, why would you cut 1/4 of your cam off??? Man would they look at me weird LMAO. On the TFS subject, atleast I can give you specs on my Stage 1 Cam! LMAO!

[2007ShelbyCobra]

yup... its getting worse and worse. Even domestics have a million stages now. Then if I ever talk to import people, they look at me like im a retard when I tell then "idk what the hell is included in your cars stage, whats actually done to it?"

[redfirepearlgt]

So I am surfing moddedmustangs.com and wow are there some truly ignorant and misinformed folks on there. A lot of people appear to be separated from the ricer community only by owning a rear wheel drive car.. Anyway in the mod motor section people keep referring to stage 1 this or stage 2 that. What the fock does that mean? How about you post some actual specs to go with the cams rather that saying stage 1 or 2 or 2 million when you are asking for advice on what you need to do with your latest round of up-grades.

Here is competition Cams web site spec page. Have fun. Showing are cams for a 3v mod 4.6L. select which engine you wish to view cams for from the drop down menu. Stage 1,2,3 to my understanding is no different than referencing a B series or E series Ford letter cam you would be running in a push rod engine. Simple sweet and to the point. So here's the information. Enjoy reading. In many cases (as also still holds true with push rod engine cams), speed shops will design and have someone like Crane or Comp or Lunati grind their specialty designed cams for them. Don's crankshop used to be that way not only with custom cams but with his signature cranks as well to my understading from talking to the real old timer hotrodders of the 50's, 60's, and 70's. So I am not surprised in todays world of knockoff's and copy cats when places like Brenspeed, BBR, and Lethal aren't real forthcoming on their specifications other than who they have making their special grind cams for them. After all you don't give away the cow when you are tryingto sell the milk.

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/cam-search-results.aspx?sc=74&sm=By%20Engine%20Family

[cstreu1026]

That's funny when I bought my cams they were know at Comp 270AH. Focking fast and the furious bullshit.

[02mingryGT]

I bought a set of the now defunct VT Engines "Stage 2 N/A cams". The original manufacture was Bullet cams and they sent along a cam card. So redfire is correct, everyone talks stages because no manufacture wants to give up their specs.

[cstreu1026]

It still doesn't help the fact that this stage bullshit doesn't mean a damn thing when comparing products.

Compare Crower's "stage 2" 2V cams http://www.crower.com/products/camshafts/ford/ford-4-6l-modular-camshafts-left-hand-4722.html

to Comp's "Stage 2"
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=969&sb=0

Its comparing apples and oranges but because they have dumbed things down to appeal to the lowest common denominator people over look the important information and end up with the wrong parts or worse yet damaged parts.

[NXcoupe]

I think you guys are missing the point. Stage this and that are being tossed around like just the title means something, like SEMA gets in and regulates what a stage 2 or 3 has to be so that all stages are uniform across manufacturers. Hiding your cam specs from the purchaser is stupid. They bought the right to know what they are when they purchased the cams. How can an engine builder complete a package with the description, oh it's a stage 3 brenspeed cam. I think that's what Cam was commenting on.

[cstreu1026]

Pretty much. One company's stage 3 is anothers stage 1 and so on.

[NXcoupe]

It started with head porting back in the late 90's. Stage 1 to stage 2 to stage 3 and then they came up with 3+, lol. Now it applies to clutches, porting, cams, and with me, wives. I'm on stage 3 right now and loving it.

[Steves LX]

It started with head porting back in the late 90's. Stage 1 to stage 2 to stage 3 and then they came up with 3+, lol. Now it applies to clutches, porting, cams, and with me, wives. I'm on stage 3 right now and loving it.

LMAO!! Find you a twin and you will have a Stage 3+.

[MystichromeVert]

I was in the market for some locking header bolts a few years ago. I was thinking a set of stage 2's or maybe stage 3's... all I could find was Stage 8. What's up with that? ;)

BTW, what's up Cam?

[Goober]

"Full race" is another one that is thrown around...

[cstreu1026]

I was in the market for some locking header bolts a few years ago. I was thinking a set of stage 2's or maybe stage 3's... all I could find was Stage 8. What's up with that? ;)

BTW, what's up Cam?

Where have you been hiding?

I've got those same stage 8 bolts too. They must be Xtreme bolts.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

My shit is stage 10, warp 9, full custom race spec stroked blown ported injected waste gated overdrived bored over with pop up hyperdrive pistons and variable compression ratio with displacement on demand and it's a Hemi.

Damned rookies. :cool1:

[furiouslyfaster]

Now don't that just blow your mind lol

[facemelter71]

My shit is stage 10, warp 9, full custom race spec stroked blown ported injected waste gated overdrived bored over with pop up hyperdrive pistons and variable compression ratio with displacement on demand and it's a Hemi.

Damned rookies. :cool1:

PSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH.That all.

MINE.

STAGE 11.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Yeah well i have Veetack and NAAAAAAAWWWWS now what sucka?

[furiouslyfaster]

Well i am gonna put a ton of stickers on my car lol

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Well i'm gonna get in the Zone and get APC seats, LED lights in my dash and a 5 inch exhaust tip, a tripple stacked park bench sized wing, stick on hood scoops and exhaust port holes for my fenders. Oh and JDM overnighted my engine from Japan.

[redfirepearlgt]

Well i'm gonna get in the Zone and get APC seats, LED lights in my dash and a 5 inch exhaust tip, a tripple stacked park bench sized wing, stick on hood scoops and exhaust port holes for my fenders. Oh and JDM overnighted my engine from Japan.

You forgot washer fluid LEds and a shorty antenna!! LOL!!! Now that's funny right there. Throw back to the early eighties and you need curb feelers.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I just took my stock antenna and bent it in a Z shape :lol:

[redfirepearlgt]

I just took my stock antenna and bent it in a Z shape :lol:

uh-like too cool ----- Dude!

[furiouslyfaster]

wow you just took it to a whole new level

[duststang]

anyone know if a stage 3 cam will work with stage 2 heads and stage 1 exhaust? :)

[INSANEBA]

LMFAO at Mike, thats hilarious! As for stacking stage combo,s I prefer the Stage 3,2,1,2,3,2,1. Thats a lil bit of all of em, thrown together, All in all it makes for a stage 14, yep thats right bishes! I'm a stage 14 on my 2 jay Z motor with NAWS! I'm meth smoking (oops i mean injecting) that whore too! Come get sum a datz shitz!

[NXcoupe]

Ok, now i am tired of seeing 'fully' being tossed around as a mod stage. Like fully built rear end, fully built bottom end, fully machined, fully this fully that, wtf? Oh and my fave, a 4 point roll bar is a 'cage'.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Ok, now i am tired of seeing 'fully' being tossed around as a mod stage. Like fully built rear end, fully built bottom end, fully machined, fully this fully that, wtf? Oh and my fave, a 4 point roll bar is a 'cage'.

I got a fully built 2 point cage :bigthumb

[NXcoupe]

I got a fully built 2 point cage :bigthumb

Lol!..................

[cstreu1026]

I got a fully built 2 point cage :bigthumb

Is that a stage 1 or stage 2?

[GREAZY]

I got 6" pistons and intakers on my whip

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Is that a stage 1 or stage 2?

Stage 3 race prepper adamantium steel :cool2:

[matts95]

Can anyone tell me what all the different things on the cam card mean? What makes a turbo cam better for fi? What makes a na cam better for na? I would like to have the version for idiots please. I posted in the modular section but didnt get much of a response so i brought a couple questions to this post. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

There really isn't an idiot answer to that question...even if i tried to explain the basics of what i understand about it, i'd write a big wall of text. I can't really say much at all about power adder cams, but most NA cams are gonna be big on duration and big on lift. Duration is how long a valve is kept open, lift is how far it comes open. There are so many little technical aspects of a cam, like the cam lobes themselves have different profiles which change the rate that the valves open at, lobe separation and overlap which is where your lope comes from...there's just so much.

[cstreu1026]

This is exactly what I am talking about...
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/99-04/216314-can-you-port-4-6l-sohc-heads.html

[redfirepearlgt]

This is exactly what I am talking about...
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/99-04/216314-can-you-port-4-6l-sohc-heads.html

Ah, now I see where you are coming from. Sorry, I misread the meaning behind your rant. I must admit though your rant has me going to the books to learn more about cam theory beyond just spouting off specs. I have found several really good technical reads at lunati that helps a person understand how more about cam design specs and how they effect the way the engine output. Thanks for the kick in the pants.