Chevy Volt Truth..

[Stolly113]

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/21/govt-subsidies-for-chevy-volt-up-to-250000-per-car/

[jktruckin06]

Government Motors...

[Stolly113]

There not getting any "Bailouts" but the $250,000 per car subsidies sure sounds like a bailout to me..

[skenny19]

love the new avatar stolly

[Stolly113]

Thank you its a real attention grabber lol I really want to have animated ones back lol

[jktruckin06]

did they take the animated ones away? or were they never an option for us lowely pions...

[RacerX]

I like the idea of electrics but they are just not there yet. They had elec. cars in the 1920's that had 40 mile range. That's not much improvement. Until we figure out how to make the power to charge them it's a fools folly, trading one fuel for another. IMHO nuke power is the answer to make the power, then we need WAY better batteries.

I laugh when I see a prius, all those cars out there will be junk when the batteries go bad in a few years, to replace will cost more than the car. How "green" is that and what to do with all those old cars not to mention the bad batteries?

Natural gas may be a alternative soon,



DR

[jktruckin06]

I love when I see a Prius burning down a ramp, or in the fast lane booking it... like what was their reasoning when they bought that car.

[dedpedal]

I remember something about the factories that produce the batteries being so harmful to the enviroment that a Hummer was less poluting on the planet over the course of its useful life. Anyone else hear this?

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I remember something about the factories that produce the batteries being so harmful to the enviroment that a Hummer was less poluting on the planet over the course of its useful life. Anyone else hear this?

I put a rant on facebook earlier today about this. People don't look at the big picture. If people really wanted to save the environment they would restore old cars. Restoration is recycling. Instead they buy new just because they're bored with their old one, and continue to feed this huge ravenous industrial machine that never stops.

The sad part is, there's really no other way because everything is connected, it's all one big food chain. If suddenly everyone wanted to keep their current car and not buy new, the auto industry would fall and that would take the economy with it along with millions of jobs. China on the other hand would explode in profit because all the cheap ass parts on cars these days are made over there so everyone fixing and maintaining their Toyotas and Honduhs would be spending all that money on Chinese made shit. Used car prices would skyrocket so we'd be spending new car money for average mileage beaters, mechanic wages would quadruple because of a sudden huge spike in the need for mechanic work, not to mention the parts to fix cars would be through the roof "Hi Autozone i need a starter for my '00 Honduh Civic"..."uuhhh yeah that'll be $365.99 plus tax plus core charge, $489 if you want the new one"....it's a big shitty downward spiral that has no real solution.

[Maximus]

Thank you its a real attention grabber lol I really want to have animated ones back lol

Gotta have over 9000 posts. :flipoff:

[blown96cobra]

Thank you its a real attention grabber lol I really want to have animated ones back lol

nice avatar stolly!

[Stolly113]

did they take the animated ones away? or were they never an option for us lowely pions...

No they were aloud on here at one point.. I had some pretty awesome ones but apparently some of the mods didn't agree with what I thought
was awesome lol I know Blown96cobra would have




Gotta have over 9000 posts. :flipoff:

Dead pedal doesn't so must not be it.. I think its a secret group like the free mason's or something!! I want a god damn animated avatar..!!!

[thecollector]

I remember something about the factories that produce the batteries being so harmful to the enviroment that a Hummer was less poluting on the planet over the course of its useful life. Anyone else hear this?

It was total carbon footprint as a net result of manufacturing comparing hybrids and electrics to gas/diesel cars.
Jeremy Clarkson, top gear-uk

[RacerX]

Why can't all these "smart" people see the big picture. I for sure believe a Hummer is greener than the toxins in batteries.









DR

[Sparky]

The land where they mine the nickel in Canada is barren, no vegetation. Then it goes to somewhere in europe, then china, then japan...all by boat to make the batteries. There's an episode on top gear about it. They put a prius on the track against a beemer, and the beemer scored higher on economy. Has anyone ever driven, let alone work on one of those shitboxes? I have. They don't shift, its like a damn golf cart. As far as design, they are absolute shit compared to the honda version. It's a gimmick. I wonder if the owners actually sniff their own farts out of wine glasses like the south park episode?

[beefcake]

wow, $250k a car...

[full force]

I will keep my supposed polluters... I like my v-8 and deisels...

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/My%20vehicles/IMG_3504.jpg





Yes thats a Volt in my garage, no it didnt cost me $250k..... its was free.

[Katmandu]

Natural gas may be a alternative soon,

x2. :bigthumb

I'm all for protecting the environment, but a MUCH higher priority IMHO is getting us (the USA) off of FOREIGN (Middle Eastern) Crude Oil !! That has to be priority #1!

We have an over abundance of Natural gas in this country (mainly in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvanis). Getting after this resource is a Win-Win for this country.

1) Relieving our dependence on foreign oil and 2) Creating a shitload of new jobs!

[Stolly113]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Schmuckingham/My%20vehicles/IMG_3504.jpg


Yes thats a Volt in my garage, no it didnt cost me $250k..... its was free.

Someone had to pay for it? So therefore GM did get the $250K kickback just like the article states

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

Someone had to pay for it? So therefore GM did get the $250K kickback just like the article states

Was given to my wifes work to test the load on the grid from the charging stations, so the only person that got any money were the people that made the individual parts.



I am not for alternative fuels but do you guys really think a car company, even GM, would make a $250,000 car and sell it for $45,000?

[jktruckin06]

I googled the 250k subsidy thing and a couple sites did say it was just a rumor.

Why are you against alternative fuels though schmuckingham?

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

I googled the 250k subsidy thing and a couple sites did say it was just a rumor.

Why are you against alternative fuels though schmuckingham?

I guess I should have chosen my words a little better. I believe alternative FUEL is a good thing to work for but the electric/E85 cars are not the way to go.



Electric poses these issues: First off is heat, we use coolant now which is used to cool off the engine and its in ample supply all year round. Much like an all electric house the car can only use electricity so basically, like an electric furnace, your using a toaster oven to heat your car. Not a good way to keep warm in the winter, not to mention the use of the heater kills the battery life quickly. Not a good thing for cold climate, but maybe California.


Secondly the battery technology is not were it needs to be. You will have to have a generator on an all electric car which is still runs when the initial charge runs out. Its better than a normal car running all the time but its a band aid at best for now.




E-85: Makes a hell of race fuel but its not for general consumption. Takes twice as much as gas to run a car and drives the cost of corn based foods up. Great gas is now 2.50 a gallon but cheese and bread is like 4 bucks a pound and there is not enough in production because it all goes to fuel.




I think Hydrgen or something synthetic or naturally occurring needs to be the ext step but what that is I have no clue.

[jktruckin06]

I agree. Battery operated and e-85 vehicles are not the future... so is the volt half as capable as claimed or is it a heap?

[SCHMUCKINGHAM]

I agree. Battery operated and e-85 vehicles are not the future... so is the volt half as capable as claimed or is it a heap?

Awesome little car in the summer or spring/fall. gets right at 38/39 miles on a charge. It is around a buck a day to charge from dead to full, my Wife can drive it to and from work on a charge and not use a drop of gas.


Kind of weird to drive with the CV "trans" and you can tell when they cut power to the stereo when you stop or slow down hahaha

[jktruckin06]

That would be weird. If they were about 20,000 I'd be all over it since I live so close to work.

[302coupe]

damn this is crazy to think about saving money cost this much