Avoid at all Cost! PRECISION AUTOSPORTS

[swt99svt]

The title says it all. I'm going to leave my post to what the title says. Save your money. Save your investment. Save your time and expectations and look to other local shops to complete your build or fulfill your Mustang/Muscle Car needs.

Local shops recommended:

- Finishline Performance (Brandon and Brian are top notch and know what they're doing and talking about. They stand behind their product and are genuine gearheads who respect and understand enthusiasts like ourselves)

- Cincy Speed (No input necessary. There reputation stands a testament to what they're capable of and their quality of work)

[evil8]

That's not near enough info.

[SN95N/A]

So you are saying to avoid precision? If im reading right

[Goober]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[sickboy]

Any reason why you wish to run your hole?

[LETHALSTANG]

No.....we need more details than that:popcorn::popcorn:

[smytty]

Any reason why you wish to run your hole?

I must agree with him.. I had issues also, but they were long ago..
Live and learn....

Sickboy, no different in you running yours.. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.. For some reason i have a feeling you spend time with Jeff and Chris ...

[swt99svt]

That's not near enough info.

I said all I need to say.


So you are saying to avoid precision? If im reading right

Correct.


:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Eat away.


Any reason why you wish to run your hole?

I'm guessing this creative response comes from a member of PA team. Classy.

[sickboy]

Yes...as a matter of fact.

[evil8]

I just find it interesting that if the other shops are superior, why haven't you gone there? Info is needed.

[swt99svt]

Yes...as a matter of fact.

As stated in my prior post, classy.

[Blowpastyou]

I would like some elaboration as well

[Kevin1989]

:popcorn: oh boy!

[sickboy]

Hey your the one who came on here bashing our shop and not bothering to explain why..I would say the class act award goes to you, sir.

[Goober]

Eat away.

Is that a fat joke? LOL

I was just using that to subscribe to the thread, cuz if evil8 is this involved this early, shits gonna be good!

I'm more of a Dayton Performance man myself. Mike's never done me wrong.

[jad0087]

i couldnt agree more, i got screwed on a part once and said screw it and never went back

[evil8]

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[evil8]

Oh yeah,,,,,,,FREE ACKBAR!!

[2kSVT]

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Jeff tuned my Saleen and has always been super fair to me. He helped me troubleshoot some blower related gremlins and got mine running great. I don't have personal experience with any other shops, but we are lucky to have several reputable shops in the area.

[evil8]

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[Goober]

Oh yeah,,,,,,,FREE ACKBAR!!

Plus shipping.

[swt99svt]

The reality of it all, this is a public forum for Mustang enthusiasts and I reserve the right to freely express my personal opinion. If you so wish to pigeon hole me and curtail your responses in a defensive manner it only speaks volumes to my personal claim in the title of this thread.

Whether you're Chad or Jeff, I don't care. The issues I experienced throughout the build, despite sending you a nice Viper ($$$ in your pocket) to catalog your expertise, you put my build to the side and I was brushed aside regardless of how closely we spoke or the conversations we had.

Whether it be the 2 month build time turned 7 months ( how bout we discuss the 1.5 months it sat, untouched while you worked on other projects), the $4k quote turned $10k bill (which was resolved in an awkwardly unique manner), a car delivered on an empty tank (I ran out of gas on the way to the pump), not following through on expectations (no 93 tune on the xcal to get me to a pump after picking up my ride and it's an e85 car), not delivering a dyno sheet, never using the cover which was delivered with the car (which you still have), delivering a distastefully dirty car, or coping an attitude the first day after I had the car and it shut down/sputtered/died on the first drive home in rush hour traffic.

Now, the car sits idle in my garage with no pumps/fuel and Jeffs response from months ago was, to quote, "sounds like a component issue. fpdm or ccrm? would have to diagnose the car to see where the problem lies."

My response, "it's a bummer. all that money and can't even get it out of the garage."

that was said with no response.

I never received a build sheet. The car is supposed to be blue printed, no documentation, to this day. I have videos of the issues with the car the day after i picked it up and the stupid fuel issues and associated codes thrown. sent the message to jeff and didn't get a response. sent a message 4 days later stating he didn't reply.

I could go on and on. The above is a synopsis of the issues. I no doubt believe they have the ability to produce a quality product. However, in my personal experience, it didn't happen and I reserve the right to express that on the forum.

[henry74]

Been a customer of Precision Autosports for about 6years and not one problem for me.

[evil8]

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[swt99svt]

Hey your the one who came on here bashing our shop and not bothering to explain why..I would say the class act award goes to you, sir.

I commend you on your grammar. I think you meant, "... you're the one who came on here bashing..."

You know the exact source of my frustrations. Don't play possum.

[evil8]

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[sickboy]

Who brought the car disassembled in boxes? Who brought all the parts? Why did you bring to us, after another shop also supposedly couldn't meet your budget or time expectations?
So after your rant advising potential customers to avoid us, I advise shops to avoid you as a customer.

This is Chad, BTW and my opinions may or may not reflect the owners but this is how I seen the deal go down

[swt99svt]

Who brought the car disassembled in boxes? Who brought all the parts? Why did you bring to us, after another shop also supposedly couldn't meet your budget or time expectations?
So after your rant advising potential customers to avoid us, I advise shops to avoid you as a customer.

This is Chad, BTW and my opinions may or may not reflect the owners but this is I seen the deal go down

Oh boy... Chad, Jeff knew the build he was getting. He picked up the car. I sent pictures and provided details about the car.

I wont get into the shop from last fall as they're no longer in business and I greatly respect one of the former business owners. By the way, to date, he has apologized and accepted responsibility that his former partner was in the wrong.

Chad, let me ask you this... Why when doing a full rebuild and having new belts would you and your shop install the old serpentine belt and return to me the new one still in the Gates packaging?

Whoops.

Again, I had nothing but respect for the shop and it's members. I took a recommendation from this board and SVTP to go to your shop. While I never provided anything less than respect in any of our conversation (aside from a few drunken rants with Jeff after the build hit 6 months) this is how you respond.

I'm happy to admit that I had some unneeded outbursts due to my frustrations and missed deadlines or a BLOWN budget. However, despite the facts, you fail to say, "we messed up too".

[sickboy]

I commend you on your grammar. I think you meant, "... you're the one who came on here bashing..."

You know the exact source of my frustrations. Don't play possum.

I don't need any fucking commendation from you..

[swt99svt]

I don't need any fucking commendation from you..

Class act. As an employee and representative of PA, this says a lot.

Please, continue to respond in this fashion. It's awesome and I'm sure it will draw in additional business.

[evil8]

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[evil8]

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[Blowpastyou]

Used belt? Really that's all Your goIng to disclose? Was it the wrong length? Being that it was the wrong length, did you ok him spending another 40-60 dollars replacing that belt when you already were complaining That you had blown your budget to hell? I have never met you but I have seem your car. I also know Jeff. If money stops flowing, projects get put on the back burner. This statement holds true with anyone that does work of this nature.

[swt99svt]

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lol, i haven't gotten a flame from you yet. c'mon now, bro!!! bring some light to this thread!

[swt99svt]

Used belt? Really that's all Your go

read on, playa. read on.

[sickboy]

Just like your public admission of calling the owner with "drunken rants" will get you all kinds understanding from those reading your posts.

[evil8]

I am here for a thorough SqualleIII bashing.

[Blowpastyou]

read on, playa. read on.

Please do the same.

[swt99svt]

Just like your public admission of calling the owner with "drunken rants" will get you all kinds understanding from those reading your posts.

I accepted my faults.

Have you?

My admittance to fault doesn't overshadow the issues we experienced in the build. Ironic enough, several members have pm'd me about similar issues. At the same time, Jeff admitted to other build issues, like mine, as I waited on my car to be finished. He acknowledged similar issues have occurred in the past and were not dissimilar to my own.

Odd.

[evil8]

IS MY CAR DONE YET???

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.5020710122422989&pid=15.1

[evil8]

I am car picking up now.....burp

http://www.funnypicture.in/funnypicture/973_drunk_guy.jpg

[swt99svt]

IS MY CAR DONE YET???

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.5020710122422989&pid=15.1

gracias, senor

[sickboy]

Odd indeed...did all of those builds include scouring through unmarked boxes of half missing parts and a customer who based his expected time of completion to an episode of "Overhaulin"?

[swt99svt]

Used belt? Really that's all Your goIng to disclose? Was it the wrong length? Being that it was the wrong length, did you ok him spending another 40-60 dollars replacing that belt when you already were complaining That you had blown your budget to hell? I have never met you but I have seem your car. I also know Jeff. If money stops flowing, projects get put on the back burner. This statement holds true with anyone that does work of this nature.

nice edit to your original post. The belt was the OE replacement for the serpentine belt, nice try.

Jeff didn't even know the budget was blown to hell. After two progress payments he said it was on pace to hit the budget.

ODD THAT JEFF CALLED ME IRATE WITH HIS OWN SHOP AND STATED HE HAD TO LEAVE IS DISGUST BECAUSE OF THE FINAL NUMBERS.

His own shop employees didn't update him on the hours. Jeff had to leave, because he was so enraged, when he saw the latest update. There was no discussion of blown budget until he himself paid the final bill.

Explain that one, Willis.

[swt99svt]

Odd indeed...did all of those builds include scouring through unmarked boxes of half missing parts and a customer who based his expected time of completion to an episode of "Overhaulin"?

The owner quoted the build. All parts were bagged and tagged. I believe that you all even complimented the fact of how clearly the parts, bolts, and boxes were labeled. The parts delivered were even compared to former builds where "buckets" of bolts and parts had been delivered compared to my ziploc bags and sharpie labels in addition to wrapped and labeled parts.

By the way, the parts bill did not include ANY charges for missing parts. There was ONE missing carriage bolt out of all the bolts/parts. Odd your claim doesn't align with the bill which I was presented.

C'mon, bro. Man up and admit things went wrong. I admitted to my wrongs. Why can't you say things went wrong and out of line from your end as well?

[sickboy]

The result of parts that should bolt up, fit and work properly not doing any of the above.

[k062693w]

Plus shipping.

I'll pay the shipping ...

Free Ackbar !!! :cheers:

[Rick93coupe]

It's going to be a long winter......

[swt99svt]

The result of parts that should bolt up, fit and work properly not doing any of the above.

lol and it takes 18 billed hours to install a stripped cars fuel system, right?

[evil8]

Where are my car keys??


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[sickboy]

I hope this dosent mean someone is getting drunk-dialed tonight.

[k062693w]

It's going to be a long winter......

You ain't kidding !!! LMAO

[swt99svt]

I hope this dosent mean someone is getting drunk-dialed tonight.

lol, three years on the board and only 11 posts... nice to see you being an active member of the community.

[Blowpastyou]

No edit here, I hit send from my iPhone while typing. Nice attempt to be a D-bag though.

[sickboy]

lol and it takes 18 billed hours to install a stripped cars fuel system, right?

How long would it take you?

[flyin2jz]

Your fuckin stupid I bet u brought him a bunch of junk broken shit and expected him to do wonders. I bet I have more in my valvetrain than u have in your whole fucking motor. U gonna bash u better come up with something bitch. I won't stand for it. Let me guess a gt 40morotor wonder why u make 230rwhp. Get he fuck off our forum u dick licker.

[swt99svt]

No edit here, I hit send from my iPhone while typing. Nice attempt to be a D-bag though.

really? come on now. i'd expect more. i've grown fond of your posts over the years and to see this i'm let down. you are better than this.

[sickboy]

lol, three years on the board and only 11 posts... nice to see you being an active member of the community.

Too busy post whoring on YB I suppose....


Sorry I can't match your ultra-manly 55 posts stud.

[evil8]

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FREE ACKBAR!!

[swt99svt]

Your fuckin stupid I bet u brought him a bunch of junk broken shit and expected him to do wonders. I bet I have more in my valvetrain than u have in your whole fucking motor. U gonna bash u better come up with something bitch. I won't stand for it. Let me guess a gt 40morotor wonder why u make 230rwhp. Get he fuck off our forum u dick licker.

drink another. put down 538/560 from what i'm told.

only "part" that broke was a bolt for the seats but valiant effort, my friend.

[swt99svt]

Too busy post whoring on YB I suppose....


Sorry I can't match your ultra-manly 55 posts stud.

Chad, you're a representative of your company. Really?

By YB I believe you mean FB? Oh, that's right, I built your page, didn't I?

[evil8]

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[sickboy]

Don't ever accuse me of being your friend.

[flyin2jz]

Your a complete fuck broke dick. Bring good parts to a tuner he can make it work. U bring junk bullshit to him he can't help broke dick racecars. Get a fucking jobs or pick up deer hunting its a lot cheaper u fuck.

[flyin2jz]

Y na 347 makes what your car does. Dot being junk and it will make more power. Get a job.

[evil8]

Precision made my engine disappear.

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[sickboy]

Chad, you're a representative of your company. Really?

By YB I believe you mean FB? Oh, that's right, I built your page, didn't I?

Cory.......I said early on my opinions are my own. I represent no one here but myself. And if you want to take jabs at me, go for it.

[swt99svt]

Your a complete fuck broke dick. Bring good parts to a tuner he can make it work. U bring junk bullshit to him he can't help broke dick racecars. Get a fucking jobs or pick up deer hunting its a lot cheaper u fuck.

Name one part on the build that's cheap you flap yapper.

Here's a refresh on the parts

Existing Parts
C&L powerpipe
K&N FIPK
Bassani o/r X
SLP LM1
Autometer boost/wideband
Eaton blower assemply
Steeda tri-ax
Billetflow hub and 2.76 pulley

New Parts

Fuel & Air
Division X Dual Return Fuel Pump
x2 Walbro 400lph fuel pumps
Aeromotive 10micron fuel filter
Fore fuel rails
Aeromotive 13101 FPR
80lb Siemen Deka fuel injectors
03/04 tank
SCT BA3000 MAF

Suspension
Billetflow differential brace
Billetflow IRS subframe braces
MM upper and lower differential bushings
MM IRS subframe bushings
Billstein shocks & struts
Ford 14mm bolts for IRS bushings

Motor & Related
Manley forged h beams
Manley 11cc .020 pistons
Manley stainless steel ring set
Clevite rod and main bearings
ARP 2000 head studs
ARP 2000 main studs
ARP 2000 rod bolts
ARP 2000 crank bolt
Metco lower assembly with 2lb pulley
Felpro head gaskets
New Motorcraft COPs
x2 Clyoes cam gear and key
Billetflow 4 piece idler set w/ snub idler
Ford timing set (complete kit)
Metco 3.2 alternator pulley
Replacement 03/04 alternator
Replacement 03/04 AC compressor

Transmission
ProMotion Motorsports 03/04 clutch kit
ProMotion Motorsports TOB
Ford main seal gasket
03/04 Cobra flywheel

Exhaust
Bassani hi-flow cats

Just 'cause it's cool
E85 Fuel cap

Replaced
All OE gaskets
Metco alt pulley washer
Posi port on blower, tb, and pl
Fragola -10 feed line
Fragola -8 return line
Misc fuel fittings

Update on a few new parts...
- Bassani cats
- JLT prefilter and oil separator
- Metco 4lb lower pulley
- FRPP 3.73s
- Diff gear install & rebuild kit
- Complete gasket refresh
- SOS A pillar dual pod

[flyin2jz]

Your shot sucks. Let my na car smash your balls that he tuned. Roll or from a dig. Ill smash your balls. Get the fuck off our forum until u get a job.

[Blowpastyou]

2jz's car makes that Hp n/a on pumP gas, hydraulic roller, with the cheapest gas within a 50 mile radius. And literally with 3 different style plug wires. Sounds to me that you should have spent your money on better stuff instead of so much stuff.

[swt99svt]

Y na 347 makes what your car does. Dot being junk and it will make more power. Get a job.

Got one. And paid the $21k I have into this chapter of the build. Thanks for playin

[sickboy]

Okay bored now,I'll be here http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403552&page=992 if you need me :)

[swt99svt]

Your shot sucks. Let my na car smash your balls that he tuned. Roll or from a dig. Ill smash your balls. Get the fuck off our forum until u get a job.

lol, let me resolve my PA fuel issues and i'm happy to meet up for a roll 'n go.

You got enough money in your piggy bank to lay down a $1,000?

Put your money where you mouth is.

[Blowpastyou]

Nelly won't even come out of the stable for less than 2500.

[Goober]

Okay bored now,I'll be here http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403552&page=992 if you need me :)

Thanks for the NWS warning :rolleyes: Just got yelled at by the wife lol

[evil8]

Roughing up the suspect.

[Blowpastyou]

^^funny shit right there!

[swt99svt]

Nelly won't even come out of the stable for less than 2500.

sorry, the other 1500 is going to fixing my PA issues.

[flyin2jz]

U let me know. Roll racing sounds good to me. Just being your fucking wallet. Ole nelly 347 will put the smack down on u. U just name the place and time. Don't be a pussy. Ill fill up on 89 octane before I put the smack down ON u. Bu can come see me put the fuel in the tank. Put up or shut the fuck up. 10.2:1 compression motor will smash ur balls. Get the fuck off our forum.

[flyin2jz]

Just a little hyd roller motor. B should be easy for u. Jus dont make me chase u don't and smash ur teeth out for the money

[Blowpastyou]

You better invest that other 1500 into something to make that abortion faster. It probably won't matter, the outcome is inevitable;
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[swt99svt]

U let me know. Roll racing sounds good to me. Just being your fucking wallet. Ole nelly 347 will put the smack down on u. U just name the place and time. Don't be a pussy. Ill fill up on 89 octane before I put the smack down ON u. Bu can come see me put the fuel in the tank. Put up or shut the fuck up. 10.2:1 compression motor will smash ur balls. Get the fuck off our forum.

no need for the wallet. i'll bring a stack of cash. i threw down the offer so no pussy talking here. wow, is your 10.2 347 supposed to wig me out? you kidding me, clark?

i may be pissed a PA for build issues and some reliability BS but the stuff that went into the build is top notch. note you didn't reply to my build list.

9.2 with 17.5lbs of boost and a lil e85... not need for me to back down, playboy.

[swt99svt]

Just a little hyd roller motor. B should be easy for u. Jus dont make me chase u don't and smash ur teeth out for the money

lol i'll give you my address, the key to my house, and the clip to my glock.

[flyin2jz]

Yea that's what I thought. U better bring some shit I'd u wanna go. My shit will be set on kill and ill be woofing it on u. Stfu and leave.

[swt99svt]

Yea that's what I thought. U better bring some shit I'd u wanna go. My shit will be set on kill and ill be woofing it on u. Stfu and leave.

lol are you even at 450whp? you talk a lot of game man and while i have a hard time understanding what you're saying i think i get the drift.

don't get me wrong, a 302 stroker is sweet and i love the lope of a nasty cam but you're talking like you run the city.

[flyin2jz]

I will smash your boost with a na motor. U let me know. Oh and by the way my piece of shit was tuned by Jeff. Just let me know b bit will be embarrassing to get killed by a na motor on 89 octane. I'm not fucking around. Shut the fuck up. Ill smash your balls any way u wanna race.

[flyin2jz]

I have a stock cam. Lets try it.

[swt99svt]

I will smash your boost with a na motor. U let me know. Oh and by the way my piece of shit was tuned by Jeff. Just let me know b bit will be embarrassing to get killed by a na motor on 89 octane. I'm not fucking around. Shut the fuck up. Ill smash your balls any way u wanna race.

aren't you an internet bad ass.

it's dbags like you who personify the mustang crowd as assholes. keep up the good work.

[2007ShelbyCobra]

so can I see the videos of said issues? I personally have had great service with Jeff as well as a lot of people I know. If there are actual issues id like proof or more detail of exactly what is going on.

[swt99svt]

so can I see the videos of said issues? I personally have had great service with Jeff as well as a lot of people I know. If there are actual issues id like proof or more detail of exactly what is going on.

i'll pull the video. it's on another phone.

as an example, my fuel pressure gauge reads my oil pressure and my oil pressure gauge reads my fuel pressure. long story but it was never resolved.

saw your car while my car was there. sweet ride.

[swt99svt]

here's the video i sent jeff the day after i picked up the car

http://db.tt/a8HzJUKM

notice the oil on the bottom reads fuel and the fuel on top reads oil. this was coming out of the tunnel on 71s right in front of the stadiums.

[2007ShelbyCobra]

i'll pull the video. it's on another phone.

as an example, my fuel pressure gauge reads my oil pressure and my oil pressure gauge reads my fuel pressure. long story but it was never resolved.

saw your car while my car was there. sweet ride.

probably was another Mach1 if there was one there. I havent had mine at Precision in a while but will be in the next month. Or at least I was planning on it

[swt99svt]

please feel free to make your own informed decision about which shop you select. again, as stated, i believe jeff has the knowledge and ability to produce a good product. however, in my own experience, that was not what i received.

relating back to my original post, i provided my personal suggestions on two other shops and provided reasons as to why i would take my business to those particular locations. i provided nothing short of factual information from my own experience. i'm not out to blow a situation into something it wasn't. i had my own shortcomings with the interaction as did the shop. however, as the customer, i believe my personal shortcomings came long after most consumers would have lost their cool. at the same time, i came forward about my indiscretions and made right, to the best of my abilities, with the individual whom the conversations took place with.

nevertheless, as a consumer, working in an environment where providing a quality product for my customers is paramount, i feel as though the product i received was well short of anything the shop promised.

[jeep45238]

How about ya'll act like adults. Words were exchanged, agree to disagree, and walk away with some sort of pride that should come from an adult.

[lost cause]

It was years ago when I had my SRT-4, Jeff gave me a great deal on dyno tuning, and even threw in free race gas for my high octane tune.... The hour I spent there was well worth the time, and I definitely left thinking Jeff was very knowledgeable guy.

[Whyucryn]

Where's the popcorn? :-)

[331lx]

Okay bored now,I'll be here http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403552&page=992 if you need me :)

Hell yea only good thing in this dam thread.....

[SN95N/A]

Jeff built pretty nice setup for my cobra,always fair will always do business there.

[Blowpastyou]

i'll pull the video. it's on another phone.

as an example, my fuel pressure gauge reads my oil pressure and my oil pressure gauge reads my fuel pressure. long story but it was never resolved.

saw your car while my car was there. sweet ride.



There is something wrong with one of the gauges and one of the senders. Please humor me and swap the plugs on the back of the gauges. They both share the same sender, but one of them doesnt work at all when their swapped. I witnessed this myself.

[draggin50]

I know Jeff has helped out alot at the track this year with Raz's car and couldnt have been more friendly or a better person. That speaks alot in itself. Once mine is done it will be going there as well.

On a side note... Shit happens and you cant please everyone. It has happened to us all at some point but chalk up what you think is a loss and take the business elsewhere if you feel the need.

[evil8]

Have we freed Ackbar yet?

[swt99svt]

There is something wrong with one of the gauges and one of the senders. Please humor me and swap the plugs on the back of the gauges. They both share the same sender, but one of them doesnt work at all when their swapped. I witnessed this myself.

Everything has been replaced. Same issue. Need a gauge? I have an extra.

Don't miss what I'm saying. Jeff is a good guy but good people can have bad business practices. Based on my experience that's what I got.

[lxenvy]

Wow...........

[lxenvy]

Everything has been replaced. Same issue. Need a gauge? I have an extra.

Don't miss what I'm saying. Jeff is a good guy but good people can have bad business practices. Based on my experience that's what I got.

Sounds like a bad situation all around. Hope u get it worked out!

[lxenvy]

To early to be going back into the thread and read it again. So u spent how much money at there shop???

[swt99svt]

To early to be going back into the thread and read it again. So u spent how much money at there shop???

$6,800 was paid to the shop.

[lxenvy]

Ok so regardless of all the BS, Im sure the agreement was you pick the car up ready to drive. If not the issue needs to be fixed IMO. A simple "Hey ur fuel pump/whatever is fucked up we need a new one" Etc... Im just saying it should have come out of there ready to rock period.

[Blowpastyou]

All my gauges are touch screen.
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[LETHALSTANG]

Have we freed Ackbar yet?

I'm going to borrow the thread a minute then all the arguing can continue.....WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ACKBAR???? I remember he always posted the crazy freeway race on videos with a turbo GT:confused:................... my apologies if this is a SORE subject or involved a tragedy!!!

[flyin2jz]

From what I've gathered the reason the car doesn't run now is because the fuel pumps you provided him were not e85 safe. Is this true.

[SN95N/A]

Pretty sweet ride u got there.

[ToxicGT]

I'm going to borrow the thread a minute then all the arguing can continue.....WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ACKBAR???? I remember he always posted the crazy freeway race on videos with a turbo GT:confused:................... my apologies if this is a SORE subject or involved a tragedy!!!

He's around.

[sickboy]

Greetings SBZ, The death star is almost finished, preparing for my return!

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2229/1221/5570610043_large.jpg

[swt99svt]

From what I've gathered the reason the car doesn't run now is because the fuel pumps you provided him were not e85 safe. Is this true.

not true. research walbro 400s and you'll see there are two types of these pumps. mine are the e85 safe 400s. might help you understand the current setup. also, if you read, you'll see that the aeromotive striker 340s are a popular pump but have huge brush issues with e85. another popular pump, the ford gt, is not an e85 pump nor are they designed for a return style fuel system.

more so, the pumps were purchased from leathalperformance along with the lethal x hat and the combo was built specifically for e85.

[evil8]

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[evil8]

http://nohomo.netau.net/modules/gallery/albums/pics/img/090714024230_star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-crap.jpg

[evil8]

http://www.orthanc.co.nz/~bogey/pics/ackbar.jpg

[evil8]

http://lulzshirts.com/sites/default/files/ad-ackbars-deli.jpg

[flyin2jz]

So the pumps or pump is bad? Is he supposed to warranty a pump that you provided him. He really can't do that. He's hoping that the stuff u brought him will work for what u want. Some of those pumps say they are e85 safe but aren't. I have looked into e85 a little and decided at the point my car runs on 89 octane at the track I really don't need more octane. Lol

[flyin2jz]

If be on the horn to lethal.

[swt99svt]

Check the video I posted and re-read my posts. I'm not asking PA to warranty the pumps. I never expressed or implied that, whatsoever. There are issues with the build and this is one of them and the current state is I do not have ANY fuel being fed. Ignition on, no prime. Issues with the fuel were there from the onset. Thus the reason I posted the running video. Should that be happening after a fresh build and run time to ensure the "bugs" are worked out? No.

I don't have an issue getting on the horn to lethal but that's not the root cause of this thread. This is but a small part of the entire process and I was merely expressing my personal experience with the build.

[9cobra4]

Your fuckin stupid I bet u brought him a bunch of junk broken shit and expected him to do wonders. I bet I have more in my valvetrain than u have in your whole fucking motor. U gonna bash u better come up with something bitch. I won't stand for it. Let me guess a gt 40morotor wonder why u make 230rwhp. Get he fuck off our forum u dick licker.

I really hope you're kidding with this childish shit. Our forum? I'm pretty sure this a public forum, and anyone can post here, unfortunately people like you with the IQ of a walnut and the grammar of a 4 year old can post here too. I literally imagine something off "The Hills Have Eyes" when I read your posts.


Someone had issues with your buddies shop, chill the hell out man. You're only making yourself look dumb.

[flyin2jz]

These type posts are what can destroy a business. The person who is being called on the carpet isn't here to defend themselves. Until both sides are on here posting its a one view conversation. My iq is relatively low thanks for pointing that out. I can't help I'm not smart. I'm sorry that my words aren't big. I dropped out in the 8th grade. Now who looks stupid. Lol

[SN95N/A]

U do lol j/k..good point tho why get on here bashing someone why dont u go up there like a man and u two talk thru the situation getting on here isnt going to fix ur problems.

[swt99svt]

These type posts are what can destroy a business. The person who is being called on the carpet isn't here to defend themselves. Until both sides are on here posting its a one view conversation. My iq is relatively low thanks for pointing that out. I can't help I'm not smart. I'm sorry that my words aren't big. I dropped out in the 8th grade. Now who looks stupid. Lol

He wasn't attacking you. Nor was I. I'm not attacking the shop but as I stated, my recommendation, based on personal experience, is to avoid the shop.

I had a very painful experience last fall. I did my research and was directed to this shop by a member on the forum. No need to call him out because he's a good guy and based his recommendation on his personal experience. No fault to him or myself for the selection of the shop.

However, at the same time, there was limited information on the web about the shop. Maybe that's where I went wrong. Maybe the size of the build was a bit too much. There are a lot of variables that can certainly have an impact on the situation.

Did I knock the shop for "cheating me"? No, but I pointed out facts of the interaction.

Did you know that before my car was in the shop I referred a buddy of mine who dropped a sizable amount for work to be done on his Viper? No. Did he have the best experience? That's not my place to make or pass judgement. The owner of that vehicle will make his stand as he decides whether or not to refer business.

I referred business. I had my own dealings. I expressed my experience. I shared my experience so others have the opportunity to make informed decisions before dropping $6,800 like I did.

Either way you look at it, $6,800 isn't a small chunk of change, at least to me. Other forum members have made some awesome points. Others have made defensive points, you included. We all reserve that right as a freedom of speech.

As a prior post said, the car should have been "ready to rock" and it wasn't and isn't.

I'll lick my wounds, as I did throughout the process as time dragged on but I believe I'm completely within my rights to express my thoughts and experience.

Just because others have had good experiences doesn't mean I should be shut out and put in a closet because my investment and experience was less than "good". Again, I'll go back to it again, based on my experience I voiced my concerns, with facts, and have provided input for others to consider if they look to take their rides and spend their money at this location.

[swt99svt]

U do lol j/k..good point tho why get on here bashing someone why dont u go up there like a man and u two talk thru the situation getting on here isnt going to fix ur problems.

I'm not getting into a pissing match about who said what and did what. I shared the facts. I used qualitative and quantitative descriptors. What more do I owe the shop or anyone else?

[Whyucryn]

I know Jeff has helped out alot at the track this year with Raz's car and couldnt have been more friendly or a better person. That speaks alot in itself. Once mine is done it will be going there as well.

On a side note... Shit happens and you cant please everyone. It has happened to us all at some point but chalk up what you think is a loss and take the business elsewhere if you feel the need.

Just because someone is a nice guy doesn't mean they know what they're doing, lol. I'll agree that Jeff is a good dude who would help ya if he could. I just have 0 confidence in his tuning and knowledge of what it takes to be a front runner.

I'd much rather take my car somewhere where their cars are the front runners and winning races. Same thing goes for engine builders and chassis guys and so on. Just because something is a little cheaper and more convenient doesn't mean it's better

[SN95N/A]

I was jus sayin try talk to him bout it to get it resolved but u obviously did lol nice car btw.

[swt99svt]

I was jus sayin try talk to him bout it to get it resolved but u obviously did lol nice car btw.

No worries. Thank you.

[Maximus]

FREE METCALF!!!:bigthumb

[lxenvy]

6800 dollars...... It better run!

[facemelter71]

FREE METCALF!!!:bigthumb

Arent the people that permabanned him not around anymore? I say bring him back!!!:bigthumb

[SN95N/A]

Was the viper black?If so that thing sounded healthy

[Maximus]

Arent the people that permabanned him not around anymore? I say bring him back!!!:bigthumb

Vinny banned Ackbar, so I dont see him coming back.(but he is on here) When Holly made Beefcake a super mod, she had specific instructions not to allow Craig back. So I dont see him coming back. (but he is on here also)

Anywho, back to the drama...

[Whyucryn]

What were the specific instructions? Lol.

[swt99svt]

Was the viper black?If so that thing sounded healthy

Yes his was the black Viper

[facemelter71]

Vinny banned Ackbar, so I dont see him coming back.(but he is on here) When Holly made Beefcake a super mod, she had specific instructions not to allow Craig back. So I dont see him coming back. (but he is on here also)

Anywho, back to the drama...

Ackbar I dont know who or what happened with him. That was before me.

I was reffering to Craig. He seemed to "liven" it up a little when he was on here.

[Maximus]

I was reffering to Craig. He seemed to "liven" it up a little when he was on here.

He still does, just under Rob or Smacks name.:)

[9cobra4]

These type posts are what can destroy a business. The person who is being called on the carpet isn't here to defend themselves. Until both sides are on here posting its a one view conversation. My iq is relatively low thanks for pointing that out. I can't help I'm not smart. I'm sorry that my words aren't big. I dropped out in the 8th grade. Now who looks stupid. Lol

Umm, not me. :lol: but at least you're a good sport. I understand the potential severity of threads like this, but the guy felt he was wronged. And if that happened to me I would too, honestly.

[draggin50]

Just because someone is a nice guy doesn't mean they know what they're doing, lol. I'll agree that Jeff is a good dude who would help ya if he could. I just have 0 confidence in his tuning and knowledge of what it takes to be a front runner.

I'd much rather take my car somewhere where their cars are the front runners and winning races. Same thing goes for engine builders and chassis guys and so on. Just because something is a little cheaper and more convenient doesn't mean it's better

Here is my take on this. I helped with Raz's car this year in limited 8.5 and from what Jeff and Chad did to help out was above and beyond what I expected. Jeff went out of his way to bring us fuel, plugs, and help with tuning at every race. If we needed anything Jeff and Chad was both there to offer up. As far as his tuning skills, he made his car run right with the front runner's. With the 76mm it was right there with Jeff Lange's car albet maybe a hair slower. We managed a 5.63 in limited trim and and if the turbo didnt take a shit it may have went faster on the next pass. Thats when Jeff even offered to go get his personal 76 to get us through the race and keep us in the points.

And Im not knocking any of the others tuning or assistance. I know I have talked to Adam and Craig and they are both very knowledgable as well and seemed very helpful.

[smytty]

Here is my take on this. I helped with Raz's car this year in limited 8.5 and from what Jeff and Chad did to help out was above and beyond what I expected. Jeff went out of his way to bring us fuel, plugs, and help with tuning at every race. If we needed anything Jeff and Chad was both there to offer up. As far as his tuning skills, he made his car run right with the front runner's. With the 76mm it was right there with Jeff Lange's car albet maybe a hair slower. We managed a 5.63 in limited trim and and if the turbo didnt take a shit it may have went faster on the next pass. Thats when Jeff even offered to go get his personal 76 to get us through the race and keep us in the points.

And Im not knocking any of the others tuning or assistance. I know I have talked to Adam and Craig and they are both very knowledgable as well and seemed very helpful.I think thats were alot of problems come from... These shops start out small and treat EVERY customer like they need to be treated.. Well the word spreads and the buisness grows which is good...
Then they start getting into real racing and have cliques..

Well then the focus goes to the guys racing or needing the car ready for the weekend and the small guy that was once important is put on the back burner, then the jobs rushed to get it out the door..

[firestang70]

So whos up for a Mc Rib???

[jktruckin06]

So whos up for a Mc Rib???

oh man. now i'm starving

[jktruckin06]

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/20/mcdonalds-mcrib-why-are-they-making-us-wait/

apparently we won't get them til december now

[SN95N/A]

Great people at precision!He has my cobra putting down really good #'s,ive had issues with local shops so thats why I travel all way out to him to have my cars worked on.He always makes time to get my cars in I got nothing but great things to say bout that place.I believe theres more to this story,maybe another side to it?

[Whyucryn]

Here is my take on this. I helped with Raz's car this year in limited 8.5 and from what Jeff and Chad did to help out was above and beyond what I expected. Jeff went out of his way to bring us fuel, plugs, and help with tuning at every race. If we needed anything Jeff and Chad was both there to offer up. As far as his tuning skills, he made his car run right with the front runner's. With the 76mm it was right there with Jeff Lange's car albet maybe a hair slower. We managed a 5.63 in limited trim and and if the turbo didnt take a shit it may have went faster on the next pass. Thats when Jeff even offered to go get his personal 76 to get us through the race and keep us in the points.

And Im not knocking any of the others tuning or assistance. I know I have talked to Adam and Craig and they are both very knowledgable as well and seemed very helpful.

Steves car is fast no doubt but it was fast before he started racing in the limited 8.5 stuff. I'm sure after he put the 76 on it that the tune needed played with but to give all the credit to Jeff for Steves car running good is just crazy. I don't know who originally tuned his car but I'm pretty sure it wasn't precision. Again, I'm not here to start shit... This will be my last post. You can PM me if ya like

[swt99svt]

Great people at precision!He has my cobra putting down really good #'s,ive had issues with local shops so thats why I travel all way out to him to have my cars worked on.He always makes time to get my cars in I got nothing but great things to say bout that place.I believe theres more to this story,maybe another side to it?

First, let me make one point very clear; I picked my car up at the end of July and have had issues since day one and have had a dead car for some time. Did I fire up the computer and go to town the moment the issues happened? No, I did not. Jeff and I had limited communication and from his end I guess I can see why he was engaging. Nothing was resolved, I continued to sit on the issues, talked with a few shops, shared my experiences, sat on it some more, and finally decided to share my story in a public forum.

I'm glad you've had great experiences. That's how it should be! Glad to hear that he made time for you car. I also agree that there is another side to it, there always is.

I've been very forward and to the point in all my responses. Some have asked for additional information and I've provided it. Never, at any time, did I attack Jeff or Chad. I kept my points direct to my experience. Did I come out of the gate bashing anyone? No. My experience solely has to do with the shop and not the people and who they are outside of the shop or at the track.

Members have messaged me and shared their experiences. It's a shame that some respondents messages are fueled by anger. I know this is a touchy subject and very much like politics. Some may not like me because I chose to speak out. That's perfectly fine. But why should my experience not be voiced?

Jeff and I shared in some conversations that I'm sure were uncomfortable to him. I engaged in an unnecessary heated rant. That happens after long days in Harmon Creek down at Cumberland. Was I wrong? I sure was. How did I respond. I called and apologized, admitted I was out of line, and it didn't happen again.

The only other conversation that had any "tension" was a conversation we had a month or two before where I set clear expectations and expressed mounting frustrations which I had kept at bay while I saw other projects come and go, my car sit for a month and a half without being touched, experienced a month delay after my heads were "forgotten" to be taken to the machine shop. Things happen, I get it. But to the extent and number which they happened and to the degree the issues I'm experiencing have come to light, am I really to feel PA is the victim?

The reality, in the simplest form, taking all conversations out of it, looking at dollars invested, time gone by, and that this is a consumer/business transaction; is this the final product anyone would expect? No.

Again, that's why I'm not engaging in conversations or attacking people, our outlining how terrible the shop is. I made a title that stated to "Avoid at All Cost" and did so because of the monetary investment I made, the overall experience throughout, and the final product I have in my possession.

I'm not trying to win a battle. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. What I am trying to do is to provide input based on my personal dealings for others to be able to make informed decisions as a consumer.

[sickboy]

Next stop...Montel Williams.

[sickboy]

Steves car is fast no doubt but it was fast before he started racing in the limited 8.5 stuff. I'm sure after he put the 76 on it that the tune needed played with but to give all the credit to Jeff for Steves car running good is just crazy. I don't know who originally tuned his car but I'm pretty sure it wasn't precision. Again, I'm not here to start shit... This will be my last post. You can PM me if ya like

You...whoever you are, STFU. you wanna drag whatever pos you got out and line up against my junk? Bring it. I'll show you how a Precision tuned car runs. Bitch.

[swt99svt]

You...whoever you are, STFU. you wanna drag whatever pos you got out and line up against my junk? Bring it. I'll show you how a Precision tuned car runs. Bitch.

I had to quote this just so you can't edit it out. That's class, bro.

[lxenvy]

You...whoever you are, STFU. you wanna drag whatever pos you got out and line up against my junk? Bring it. I'll show you how a Precision tuned car runs. Bitch.

:popcorn:..

[sickboy]

I had to quote this just so you can't edit it out. That's class, bro.

I'm not your bro. I wont edit it, and you STFU too. I already know I can stomp a mudhole in your shit. If you wanna compare cars, money spent, experience, talent...you don't have shit on me. You wanna make it personal between you and I? Even better.

[9cobra4]

Lol wow. This just screams class, I definitely want this guy working on my cars.

[Whyucryn]

You...whoever you are, STFU. you wanna drag whatever pos you got out and line up against my junk? Bring it. I'll show you how a Precision tuned car runs. Bitch.

I think you're doing a fine job of making yourself look like a clown, no need for myself or anyone else to help you. Keep replying with your witty comebacks... Your representing yourself and the precision autosports crew in a very classy manner!!

[swt99svt]

I'm not your bro. I wont edit it, and you STFU too. I already know I can stomp a mudhole in your shit. If you wanna compare cars, money spent, experience, talent...you don't have shit on me. You wanna make it personal between you and I? Even better.

Yes, I'll quote this one too.

[SN95N/A]

I mean 8 pages of people bashing him prolly has him a little pissed im sure anyone of u guys would say shit too.

[bbfstanger]

quote , I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do.
total contradiction to your post title .

[sickboy]

Lol wow. This just screams class, I definitely want this guy working on my cars.

Yea? Let someone come on here,launch a personal attack on your employer, you shop and your ability and see how you react. We build cars, friends, and reputations. I don't need to come here and apologize or explain, we have plenty people who have been to our shop and had builds completed to their expectations or better. I am not a politician or a PR representative. You want a fast car? Bring it where fast cars are built. You want to drop off a box of parts and dictate what you want to spend? You get what you get. No different than any other shop, and BTW...ask this clown why Finish Line didn't get the reboot on his project.

[sickboy]

I think you're doing a fine job of making yourself look like a clown, no need for myself or anyone else to help you. Keep replying with your witty comebacks... Your representing yourself and the precision autosports crew in a very classy manner!!

So we have a race?

[swt99svt]

Yea? Let someone come on here,launch a personal attack on your employer, you shop and your ability and see how you react. We build cars, friends, and reputations. I don't need to come here and apologize or explain, we have plenty people who have been to our shop and had builds completed to their expectations or better. I am not a politician or a PR representative. You want a fast car? Bring it where fast cars are built. You want to drop off a box of parts and dictate what you want to spend? You get what you get. No different than any other shop, and BTW...ask this clown why Finish Line didn't get the reboot on his project.

Dictate the price? Chad, check your facts. Might want to revisit that.

Finish Line SHOULD have had my business. I wouldn't be in the position I am today had I taken it there or Cincy Speed.

Red 9 Fab did the work on my car last year.

Need I say more?

[sickboy]

Sure...keep talking. I'm here all night.

[swt99svt]

quote , I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do.
total contradiction to your post title .

We can play rhetoric games but that's not the point.

This has become a shit show. I shared my experience and that was the point. Why get defensive if there weren't issues? Why not let your track record take the lead?

Again, others have encountered similar issues and apparently I'm the first to voice it and I can see why. No sweat off my back. I don't feel like a victim but some people sure are trying to make a statement that they are.

If you had a bad experience with a television would you by the same brand again? Maybe not. If you had a bad experience at a Great Clips would you go back? Probably not to that one. If you went to a bar and got bad mixed drinks, that too may turn you off from returning.

Word of mouth is powerful and I'm merely voicing my personal experience.

How or why would it make sense to chastise anyone for voicing their experience? You can either choose to accept it or dismiss it.

That decision is solely your own.

[Dirtyd0g]

This thread is a prime example of why I quit keeping up with forums a while back.
Everybody wants a custom built car that is simple to diagnose, parts are readily available and cheap and it's fast. When you build a custom car you can't take it to the dealer for service anymore because they don't have a clue what they are looking at. The more electronics the cars get the better job the electronics do covering up mechanical faults making diagnostics confusing. That is the downside of a custom car, if you can't accept it take your money to the dealer and go buy brand new. Posting threads like this is setting fire to a rope bridge and you are in the middle of it. It won't take many before nobody that knows what they are doing will want to mess with it.

Nobody wants to deal with drama like this it is pointless and serves no purpose.
Alan

[06V6Andrew]

i understand what your getting at and i think many people do. You paid for a service and when you finally came to claim your car it was not running correctly. don't know the shop or the people but if it were my shop the vehicle wouldn't have left running like that. if there was a part issue, like a bad fuel pump, you should have been notified so you can call up the company that makes it to get it remedied. ii think it was taken out of turn because of some wording but this is what i understood of the whole thread. telling people to line their cars up as some people did in this thread solves no problems.

The trhread should have been labeled a little differently than "Avoid at all costs" because that is probably how most of this started, and the vague beginning to this thread also didn't help.

[smytty]

This thread is a prime example of why I quit keeping up with forums a while back.
Everybody wants a custom built car that is simple to diagnose, parts are readily available and cheap and it's fast. When you build a custom car you can't take it to the dealer for service anymore because they don't have a clue what they are looking at. The more electronics the cars get the better job the electronics do covering up mechanical faults making diagnostics confusing. That is the downside of a custom car, if you can't accept it take your money to the dealer and go buy brand new. Posting threads like this is setting fire to a rope bridge and you are in the middle of it. It won't take many before nobody that knows what they are doing will want to mess with it.

Nobody wants to deal with drama like this it is pointless and serves no purpose.
AlanThis is why there are Custom / Performance shops out there to do these jobs.. These shops advertise and say hey come to my shop ill take care of you.. Then when something goes wrong they want you to forget about it or of course for more $ we can finish the job you paid me to already do...
People need to be accountable for the work they do, i know i cant fuck my job up without getting in trouble...
Now i dont know what happened this is a general statement, if so called person agreed to do a certain job for a certain amount of money the job should be done no ?s and done on time...

Im sure they knew at that shop what he wanted done, its been said in here already he went in and said i want this done for this.. If thats what was agreed apon it should be upheld....

[sickboy]

i understand what your getting at and i think many people do. You paid for a service and when you finally came to claim your car it was not running correctly. don't know the shop or the people but if it were my shop the vehicle wouldn't have left running like that. if there was a part issue, like a bad fuel pump, you should have been notified so you can call up the company that makes it to get it remedied. ii think it was taken out of turn because of some wording but this is what i understood of the whole thread. telling people to line their cars up as some people did in this thread solves no problems.

The trhread should have been labeled a little differently than "Avoid at all costs" because that is probably how most of this started, and the vague beginning to this thread also didn't help.

The car ran fine when it left, actually he came up a nd test drove the finished product BEFORE he paid a portion of his actual bill and picked the car up and was,if I reacall quite satisfied with the finished product before the fuel pump he supplied failed. I think he left that part out...

[Dirtyd0g]

Posting a thread like this isn't going to get it resolved however. All it will do is make them not want to mess with it anymore. I don't want to mess with it after reading this thread. I bet Cincy speed doesn't either. I have a job here now I am eating repairs on because a tuner butchered it, but you don't see me on here throwing a fit about it. What good would it do? I found someone I trust to fix the tune and I'm cleaning up the rest of the mess.
Alan

[swt99svt]

This is why there are Custom / Performance shops out there to do these jobs.. These shops advertise and say hey come to my shop ill take care of you.. Then when something goes wrong they want you to forget about it or of course for more $ we can finish the job you paid me to already do...
People need to be accountable for the work they do, i know i cant fuck my job up without getting in trouble...
Now i dont know what happened this is a general statement, if so called person agreed to do a certain job for a certain amount of money the job should be done no ?s and done on time...

Im sure they knew at that shop what he wanted done, its been said in here already he went in and said i want this done for this.. If thats what was agreed apon it should be upheld....

I'll add that Jeff was very fair and I was in agreement that the "quote" was a quote and he stated that they would do the best they could to stay within the "quote" but as this was very much a custom job things could happen. I agreed.

4 months into the build and upon making a second payment for work done I asked how we were doing and he responded with something along the lines that they were on track. Coming up on two months later near time the car was completed I get a call from Jeff as he's leaving the shop absolutely furious because he was notified on the hours.

Somewhere between being on track and two months later the "quoted" price had balloned 2.5x. In the midst of this Jeff and I had some good conversations pertaining to his business and he gave feedback on things he would do different.

Nevertheless, we worked on a final price that worked for both of us, to an extent. Content of those conversations don't really matter. That point doesn't negate previous comments by myself stating the facts. Total charges ballooned, timelines blown to pieces, condition of my car upon receipt, and issues that I encountered after getting the car.

Between last year and this year I have nearly 30k in the car. Lots of that includes parts and as Jeff will always say "I wish I could put labor in a box because then people would have something in return for their money".

It's not easy to foot a $3,800 final payment when you had expected $1,500. Jeff made a concession and I appreciated it. $800 was in parts and I by no means balked at that. Parts are parts. The other labor, ok, things happened as it was rebuild. But, again, everything is in the eye of beholder and facts are what they are.

Even though I worked with them and they worked with me it doesn't overshadow the content of the process or the final outcome.

[swt99svt]

The car ran fine when it left, actually he came up a nd test drove the finished product BEFORE he paid a portion of his actual bill and picked the car up and was,if I reacall quite satisfied with the finished product before the fuel pump he supplied failed. I think he left that part out...

Pumps failed? The day after I took it home? Check the video. The issues suddenly "popped" up the day after I took delivery? Oh boy, you are selective in what you cite.

[swt99svt]

Posting a thread like this isn't going to get it resolved however. All it will do is make them not want to mess with it anymore. I don't want to mess with it after reading this thread. I bet Cincy speed doesn't either. I have a job here now I am eating repairs on because a tuner butchered it, but you don't see me on here throwing a fit about it. What good would it do? I found someone I trust to fix the tune and I'm cleaning up the rest of the mess.
Alan

Thanks for the feedback, Alan. Great points. I'm done.

[NO SHOT]

So we have a race?

Sounds like Big Rob has some action lol!!!:eek:

[flyin2jz]

I just think most of us who are loyal to Jeff don't like to see him bashed. I am totally fine with someone saying they just don't want him tuning their car and trust someone else. He is a pretty small operation and can see him being a bit overwhelmed at times. I have always taken my car to him. He had no idea how to tune with a Anderson pms and looked all the info up online so he could do my car. I used to run a sct chip that he tuned. The pms made more power than his tune on the sct and no matter what we couldn't get te sct to perform like the pms. He didn't bash my setup he just tuned it. I could call him right now and ask him to tune my car and he would meet me there. He has done way more than other tuners that have tuned my car in the past but will not name names. People bring him half running cars everyday and he's expected to work wonders on them and not charge the customer. I'm sorry u had a bad experience. Just don't base this one car on his ability to do the job. There are lots of us that have had great dealings with Jeff. His job isn't easy. I would want nothing to do with deadlines and budgets. Just too difficult to know at the beginning. Every job has more to it than expected. At least when I do my stuff it does so I can't expect perfection from him. Just my thoughts. Hope u get it worked out. You can do the pumps yourself its not tough.

[sickboy]

Pumps failed? The day after I took it home? Check the video. The issues suddenly "popped" up the day after I took delivery? Oh boy, you are selective in what you cite.

So since you apparently diagnoised the problem, whats wrong with it? Did you jumper the pumps to 12V to see if they run? Did you check to see if the ground to the FPDM is being switched by the PCM? How do you think fuel pumps normally fail? Do they set a check engine light? Since you thought your bill was too much were you willing to pay for the diagnostic procedure to determine the problem to determine if the issue was our installation or your part, if it turned out to be your parts? Has the car even left your garage since it quit running to see what the issue is or are you just automatically assuming its our shortcomings?

[Dirtyd0g]

Thanks for the feedback, Alan. Great points. I'm done.

No problem good luck with your project. I have a saying that nothing is ever easy here. I'd rather be lucky than good any day. When everything goes smoothly it's luck, fixing it when everything goes wrong is skill.
Alan

[bbford]

I'm not your bro. I wont edit it, and you STFU too. I already know I can stomp a mudhole in your shit. If you wanna compare cars, money spent, experience, talent...you don't have shit on me. You wanna make it personal between you and I? Even better.

Man you need to lay off the budlight lol.Gonna feel like shit going in there turning wrenches with a hangover. Whats up with all the threats. cant belive stangbangerz is going along with this. wow how times have changed around here. So will that wheelie monster get raced on the street or is it a track only car? just wondering

[lxenvy]

but if it were my shop the vehicle wouldn't have left running like that. if there was a part issue, like a bad fuel pump, you should have been notified so you can call up the company that makes it to get it remedied.


Ding ding ding we have a winner!:bigthumb

[Whyucryn]

Posting a thread like this isn't going to get it resolved however. All it will do is make them not want to mess with it anymore. I don't want to mess with it after reading this thread. I bet Cincy speed doesn't either. I have a job here now I am eating repairs on because a tuner butchered it, but you don't see me on here throwing a fit about it. What good would it do? I found someone I trust to fix the tune and I'm cleaning up the rest of the mess.
Alan

Is this the one you're blaming Adam for? I heard the transmission was junk and never shifted right ever since it was put in the car.

[flyin2jz]

I've spoke with Jeff. From what I understand he took it on a 20 min test drive before making the final payment and it ran great. Obviously he's not gonna pay for a non running car. We all know crap happens with racecars. Jeff is no fortune teller. He can't tell the fuel pumps are going to fail. It sounds like the fuel issue an the wait time and budget are the issue. What's not allowing the car to run is the fuel pump issue which Jeff cannot control. The car left running fine.

[Dirtyd0g]

Is this the one you're blaming Adam for? I heard the transmission was junk and never shifted right ever since it was put in the car.


I'm not here to start a flame war, there was an agenda there to sell him a transmission. You forget the car had a decent tune when it left here and only needed tweaked. It ran great before it was tooned. I have the file from it and the entire thing is butchered. I have decent transmission files to compare it to. Of course it didn't shift right he never even changed it to 4r70w ratios the tune had aode ratios in it. I will gladly send anyone who wants to see it the file from it. The thing drove great before shifting into 4th gear locked at 15mph is not a transmission fault on an electronically controlled transmission. The first 4-1 downshift could easily explain the problem this transmission cannot handle that. Internal transmission failure cannot cause that. If anything the transmission would have failsafed to 2nd. I'm cleaning up the mess and it will be fine when I am done. I knew he had a problem with me but had no idea he would take it that far. I'm eating the bill for it and learned a little about who to trust so I'll chalk it up to experience.
Alan

[RyanR]

Sounds like Big Rob has some action lol!!!:eek:

Bill what are you giving up with that new rocket you have?

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

I'm not here to start a flame war, there was an agenda there to sell him a transmission. You forget the car had a decent tune when it left here and only needed tweaked. It ran great before it was tooned. I have the file from it and the entire thing is butchered. I have decent transmission files to compare it to. Of course it didn't shift right he never even changed it to 4r70w ratios the tune had aode ratios in it. I will gladly send anyone who wants to see it the file from it. The thing drove great before shifting into 4th gear locked at 15mph is not a transmission fault on an electronically controlled transmission. The first 4-1 downshift could easily explain the problem this transmission cannot handle that. Internal transmission failure cannot cause that. If anything the transmission would have failsafed to 2nd. I'm cleaning up the mess and it will be fine when I am done. I knew he had a problem with me but had no idea he would take it that far. I'm eating the bill for it and learned a little about who to trust so I'll chalk it up to experience.
Alan

WOW you are special. The transmission file was never touched from when it left there other than WOT shift rpm. The low speed shift tables were never touched because the speedometer gear was wrong from his transmission builder/installer. I also have this file and will share it with anyone that knows what they are looking at (which obviosly isn't you). Tracey and Blake will gladly review these files and tell you you are a tard. I never had any issue with you or would sabbotage your transmission, I don't even know who you are. Don't you think if I wanted to sell him a transmission I would have done so when he came to me initially? Don't let your little white trash employee or your meth pipe put ideas in your head. You should also learn not blame other people for your mistakes, you screwed up accept it:bigthumb Tell everyone how you are going to make 75 more HP over mine AND Tracys tunes:lol: I'm done with this conversation my reputation speaks for itself.

[Dirtyd0g]

Your nuts dude, there is absolutely no truth in what you just said, 3 people drove that car before it went there and aside from shifting a hair early it was pretty nice we even told him to wait until he got the blower installed to work with it as it drove good but he insisted on having you toon it. When we picked it up at 15mph it was in 4th gear locked up and when you push the throttle because the car was bucking it did a 4-1 downshift ferociously.
The speedometer gear was one tooth off because of confusion as to which gears were actually in the car. After someone decent tuned it the car drives good but the abuse of that crap file has done some damage to the direct clutch, the drum is twisted. A proper tune would prevent that from happening it is caused from jumping gears. I forwarded the untouched file to several people and checked the gear ratios in it.
They were wrong which is enough to cause the issue however the lockup schedule was completely reversed as well. among a few other issues. I know you have been wanting to hash it out with me on the forums for a while. I am not playing no good can come from it you got me be proud of yourself.

Jeff merely delivered the car he knows nothing about any of this stuff and his input is pointless he doesn't even work for me anymore. I sent him to run errands that I don't have time to do. I'll tell him about this thread maybe he will argue with you but he is not a representative of me or my company I am not wasting any more time with you. If I get bored I'll post some pics, not that it's worth the time as either way it's still my dime unless I want to be like you and charge people for messed up stuff. It's more time than money so I would rather take care of it for the customer. You wouldn't know anything about that you charged him $500 to screw the car up. I left you out of this you were foolish to stir it up.
Alan

[RyanR]

Your nuts dude, there is absolutely no truth in what you just said, 3 people drove that car before it went there and aside from shifting a hair early it was pretty nice we even told him to wait until he got the blower installed to work with it as it drove good but he insisted on having you toon it. When we picked it up at 15mph it was in 4th gear locked up and when you push the throttle because the car was bucking it did a 4-1 downshift ferociously.
The speedometer gear was one tooth off because of confusion as to which gears were actually in the car. After someone decent tuned it the car drives good but the abuse of that crap file has done some damage to the direct clutch, the drum is twisted. A proper tune would prevent that from happening it is caused from jumping gears. I forwarded the untouched file to several people and checked the gear ratios in it.
They were wrong which is enough to cause the issue however the lockup schedule was completely reversed as well. among a few other issues. I know you have been wanting to hash it out with me on the forums for a while. I am not playing no good can come from it you got me be proud of yourself.

Jeff merely delivered the car he knows nothing about any of this stuff and his input is pointless he doesn't even work for me anymore. I sent him to run errands that I don't have time to do. I'll tell him about this thread maybe he will argue with you but he is not a representative of me or my company I am not wasting any more time with you. If I get bored I'll post some pics, not that it's worth the time as either way it's still my dime unless I want to be like you and charge people for messed up stuff. It's more time than money so I would rather take care of it for the customer. You wouldn't know anything about that you charged him $500 to screw the car up. I left you out of this you were foolish to stir it up.
Alan
Seems to me you have a lot of messed up deals... im petty sure if adam messed it up he would have fixed it:bigthumb

[mad max]

Looks like its gonna be a real long winter .

[draggin50]

Steves car is fast no doubt but it was fast before he started racing in the limited 8.5 stuff. I'm sure after he put the 76 on it that the tune needed played with but to give all the credit to Jeff for Steves car running good is just crazy. I don't know who originally tuned his car but I'm pretty sure it wasn't precision. Again, I'm not here to start shit... This will be my last post. You can PM me if ya like

Yes it was quick to begin with. But with the 76 in limited trim I think he picked up 2 tenths and with the 88 he picked up 4 tenths just with Jeff tuning it. In hp numbers from the original tune to Jeff's it does show that it did pick up.

[Dirtyd0g]

this says it all, first pic is a direct read from the chip on this car, I still have the untouched chip in fact. It is exactly how it came back to me. This car was swapped to 4r70w gearset and had a base file written before hand that it drove great on. After tuning it was horrible.

Second file is the ratio information from my car that has a 4r70w in it which is what this car should have had.

When Adam looks at the file he has for this car he will find the exact same thing.
Alan

[Rich]

What in the hell has happened to this site? Sad...

[1_slo_92]

Were due for a good ol bitchfest, every 6 months or so everyone starts whippin up on one another lol

[Pitbull1052]

Were due for a good ol bitchfest, every 6 months or so everyone starts whippin up on one another lol




I've noticed it seems to happen in the fall or winter when no one has anything better to do

[1_slo_92]

Yeag also when peoples cars start breaking in the spring/summet and theyre waiting on the parts lol

[Pitbull1052]

not to make light of the subject but are there any builders that can make my car do this?????? If so i need to make an appoinment........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAFoso0CLk&feature=related

[SN95N/A]

Thats funny,none in cincy area lol

[jktruckin06]

did all the bickering used to never happen? i`m being for real. cause i`m pretty sure guys have always gotten into pissing matches about their cars, the parts on them and who did the work.

is it really that much of a burden to get on here and see people arguing. i think it`s comical.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

this says it all, first pic is a direct read from the chip on this car, I still have the untouched chip in fact. It is exactly how it came back to me. This car was swapped to 4r70w gearset and had a base file written before hand that it drove great on. After tuning it was horrible.

Second file is the ratio information from my car that has a 4r70w in it which is what this car should have had.

When Adam looks at the file he has for this car he will find the exact same thing.
Alan

Alan the trans files from before and after were the same. I requested the gear ratios when the car first hit the dyno, none were provided to me. I am not intersted in a pissing match I am much too busy for that. This whole deal could have been resolved with a phone call. When the customer picked up the car to take it back for the speedo gear he was supposed to ask again about the ratios. Like I said before I wasn't going to waste time with the shift strategy until the speed was processed correctly. Give me a call if you want to discuss this 513-236-2355 but like I said there was no maliscious intent nor was anything botched in the tune file. I can't read minds and can only change what I know is different. I'm not sure what all took place but it seems your helper may have been the shit starter...

[evil8]

Free me Bitches!!

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh152/evil8/metcalf2.jpg

[1_slo_92]

I find it amusing myself but i was just making the statement that it happens a few times a year. I actually look for the 5 plus page rants because thats where the laughs are on here

[Pitbull1052]

I find it amusing myself but i was just making the statement that it happens a few times a year. I actually look for the 5 plus page rants because thats where the laughs are on here






lol I heard that I enjoy reading all the internet tough guy ish and all the nut huggn it's humourous....... bottom line is build your own ish take it to the tuner and you won't have this problem or if you do you can't blame anyone but yourself and learn a lesson or two along the way and you might feel a little bit of pride knowing you did the work on your own car.......

[dsmawd350]

Man you need to lay off the budlight lol.Gonna feel like shit going in there turning wrenches with a hangover. Whats up with all the threats. cant belive stangbangerz is going along with this. wow how times have changed around here. So will that wheelie monster get raced on the street or is it a track only car? just wondering

no shit this is probably the most unprofessional postings I have EVER seen from any shop whether it be here, ls1tech,yellowbullet, offshoreonly... this/these dudes are some clowns

[swt99svt]

I've spoke with Jeff. From what I understand he took it on a 20 min test drive before making the final payment and it ran great. Obviously he's not gonna pay for a non running car. We all know crap happens with racecars. Jeff is no fortune teller. He can't tell the fuel pumps are going to fail. It sounds like the fuel issue an the wait time and budget are the issue. What's not allowing the car to run is the fuel pump issue which Jeff cannot control. The car left running fine.

We should all be cautious in making assertions and critical in examining them, but tolerant in permitting the truth in reality to be what it is, truth.

I'm glad others have had great experiences. I did not. As such, put yourself in my shoes, would you be satisfied let alone content with the outcome or process itself? That's for you to answer.

[swt99svt]

no shit this is probably the most unprofessional postings I have EVER seen from any shop whether it be here, ls1tech,yellowbullet, offshoreonly... this/these dudes are some clowns

LMAO. I live on OSO and have never seen anything like this. It's odd because on that site people value the experiences of others.

I knew this had the potential of blowing up because of the "race" scene and the cliques that go along with it. But am I doing more of a disservice to go along my merry way and keep my mouth shut or to be forthright with my personal experience? Again, it's just that, my personal experience. Nothing more and nothing less. From my experience I made a recommendation. It's in the eyes of the beholder to do what they will with the information.

[SN95N/A]

Kinda beating a dead horse at this point.

[Goober]

You say beating, I say tenderizing

[sean]

mmmmmmm tender horse.

[k062693w]

mmmmmmm te
nder Mchorserib.

Fixed it for you !!! LMAO

[SN95N/A]

U guys are killin me lol

[sean]

Fixed it for you !!! LMAO

no doubt. That mcrib has gotten worse and worse every year. At this point I think I would welcome some horse meat mcrib. That processed shit they are selling is a joke. I mean for fuck sake it has the look of simulated bones..... WHO DOES THAT.

[Pitbull1052]

no doubt. That mcrib has gotten worse and worse every year. At this point I think I would welcome some horse meat mcrib. That processed shit they are selling is a joke. I mean for fuck sake it has the look of simulated bones..... WHO DOES THAT.





I saw this how it's made show once and they were showing the mcrib..... yea they squirt that ish into a premade rubber form with a 4" wide clear tube ...... it looks like meat paste it's nasty

[1_slo_92]

Im actually dissapointed this has came to a crawl. I had something to do at break yesterday and now i dont know what to do with myself

[swt99svt]

I'm considering parting the car out. How active do you think this thread will get now?

[blue5.8]

you have any pics or what parts details?

[jktruckin06]

aha! it was all a ploy to get the post count up to sell parts! lol

i was so sad when they deleted the shady shaun thread. that was seriously the best thing going since the mcrib

[Dirtyd0g]

aha! it was all a ploy to get the post count up to sell parts! lol

i was so sad when they deleted the shady shaun thread. that was seriously the best thing going since the mcrib


They are saving it for when the McRib comes back!

[sean]

Im not shady but I am a sean.... Not the same sean but I can find a cam to sell to a few of you if you want...

[evil8]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh152/evil8/bcam-1.gif

[k062693w]

no doubt. That mcrib has gotten worse and worse every year. At this point I think I would welcome some horse meat mcrib. That processed shit they are selling is a joke. I mean for fuck sake it has the look of simulated bones..... WHO DOES THAT.

We need another wild animal outbreak again !!!

Mmmmmmm McMonkeyRib ... With pickles !!!

[k062693w]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh152/evil8/bcam-1.gif

Can I get 2 shipped ??? Should I just PM you my credit card # ???

I'm sure you will take the right amount of $$$ and ship it to me ...



Mmmmmm McTigerRib ... With Pickles !!!

[facemelter71]

Is the item you have listed on Craigslist in the for sale section still for sale? Please let me know.
My email.
Ima-at-homemasterbating

[bbfstanger]

i already purchased that cam twice!
how can shady shaun have so many forsale?

[evil8]

Its Honest Shaun International now!

[TurboNG]

I think he stated his issue with being unsatisfied with a company fairly and everyone else should STFU. If u read what he said the pump issue isn't what he is mad about, pumps happened after and he received no tech support. O'well.
And as far as Jeff goes I bet he is real proud of his employees cursing people out and threatening them on public forums. If it was my employee you would be on the street collecting Obama Care no matter how good you are or think you are with cars. Last thing I would want to deal with while spending my money is some nobody's mouth. Now I don't know the whole story prob but I know what I just read and nothing professional was represented by PA even if you did say you're not speaking for them, you still work there and now there are people here that prob won't go there now because they know you work there. Just makes both u and PA look bad. It's a shame really.

[SN95N/A]

So who's going to tune this car?

[swt99svt]

We'll see. After I replace the hard wired 40a/30a relay that leads into the FPDM on my return fuel system. All looks good leading up to the relay and dead on its way out to the pin connector that plugs into the FPDM.

That leaves another concern... Bad relay or is there a hiccup in the rest of the wiring that caused it to puke. Remember the dead situation all occurred after the drive-ability issues.

[SN95N/A]

So did it run decent for a bit then just start running like shyt,gauges went weird,then shit a pump or power to pump.

[swt99svt]

So did it run decent for a bit then just start running like shyt,gauges went weird,then shit a pump or power to pump.

I had running issues on my way home from the shop. I chalked it up as maybe some funk e85 in the tank. It died once rolling up to a stop sign. Drove it a few days later to work and the video you saw was what the drive experience was from 71s in front of the stadium to my home in Burlington. I sent Jeff a sleuth of codes. He said it could be the FPDM or the CCRM, would need to troubleshoot.

p1474
p1235
p0190
p1237
p1451
p1000 (wasn't worried about this one)

Sent those codes to him on 7/25 and didn't hear from him until two messages and 5 days later when he gave me a call on 7/30. On 7/30 we again discussed not having a tune for 93 which should have been on the xcal.

On 7/31 he messaged me asking for the serial number. I never sent the serial number as I was upset at the experience. On 7/31 I also asked for the final compression numbers and build sheet and he said he would run the numbers.

Didn't hear from him until I messaged him again on 8/15 stating I hadn't ran the car since the issues and reiterated the issues. He replied and said "sounds like a component issue. fpdm or the ccrm? would have to diagnose the car to see where the problem lies"

Frustrated I left it alone. A few days later I went out to the car and cleared all the codes after having left the battery unplugged. (mind you this is nearly three weeks since driving the car last). Surprisingly, the car ran decent aside from shutting down when coming up to stop lights or my fuel pressure gauge dropping to 0 (i actually have the oil gauge plugged into the fuel gauge sending unit as it wont read if the right gauges are in there place). This leads up to where I am today and where the car has been sitting for several weeks. Went out to drive it and found that it wouldn't prime. Nothing. I never messaged Jeff about this. Seemed pointless. So I sat on it and called some other shops and got feedback. I expressed what I wanted to do to get it to where it needed to be, received awesome quotes, but at this time of the year what's the point when it's not going to be driven?

Today, I decided time to get off my ass and check the wiring. Chad's words inspired me to go buy another voltage tester as my other one is in my boat at cumberland. Alas, the issue, as far as this one, appears to have been identified.

Could I have tested it weeks ago? YES! However, I lack any enthusiasm or pleasure with the car after everything that's happened.

[SN95N/A]

Alot of money spent I understand that and it sucks,doing such a big job they could have messed up or something with/or without knowing they did I hope u resolve the issue that looks like a badass car,mind me askin u said u may have found issue what was it just curious?Where u get your e85?

[swt99svt]

Alot of money spent I understand that and it sucks,doing such a big job they could have messed up or something with/or without knowing they did I hope u resolve the issue that looks like a badass car,mind me askin u said u may have found issue what was it just curious?Where u get your e85?

post #222 has your answer.

[SN95N/A]

Im a dumb shyt I read that lol hope there no other issue with wiring tho,U get ur e85 over in Ky

[Dirtyd0g]

I have had many problems with those CCRM modules if the car has one. The best solution I have for them is to cut a hole in the case, buy a standard relay with wiring harness and carefully solder the wires into the board in the correct orientation where the relay was. It sounds harder than it is but it does take patience. A buddy told me there is a chemical to remove the solder easily but I never tried it. Then once the wires are outside the box seal the module back up and mount the relays. If one fails they can be replaced for a couple dollars. The relay says the amperage on it, but make sure to buy relay kits with good connectors not wires with spade terminals.

Here are a couple examples.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VIA-80237/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PCO-5591PT/

[swt99svt]

I have had many problems with those CCRM modules if the car has one. The best solution I have for them is to cut a hole in the case, buy a standard relay with wiring harness and carefully solder the wires into the board in the correct orientation where the relay was. It sounds harder than it is but it does take patience. A buddy told me there is a chemical to remove the solder easily but I never tried it. Then once the wires are outside the box seal the module back up and mount the relays. If one fails they can be replaced for a couple dollars. The relay says the amperage on it, but make sure to buy relay kits with good connectors not wires with spade terminals.

Here are a couple examples.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VIA-80237/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PCO-5591PT/

Thanks for the links! This is what I need! http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VIA-80237/

Not sure if it has anything to do with the CCRM. Again, the relay that is toast is in the trunk at the FPDM.

Don't get me wrong, the way it's wired, it's actually a pretty smart idea. However, it's more complex than it needs to be. A traditional gut of the returnless system takes the CCRM and the FPDM out of the equation and you rely on a nice key on ignition source along with the FPR, in line dual relays for the pumps, and the tune.

[blown96cobra]

I think he stated his issue with being unsatisfied with a company fairly and everyone else should STFU. If u read what he said the pump issue isn't what he is mad about, pumps happened after and he received no tech support. O'well.
And as far as Jeff goes I bet he is real proud of his employees cursing people out and threatening them on public forums. If it was my employee you would be on the street collecting Obama Care no matter how good you are or think you are with cars. Last thing I would want to deal with while spending my money is some nobody's mouth. Now I don't know the whole story prob but I know what I just read and nothing professional was represented by PA even if you did say you're not speaking for them, you still work there and now there are people here that prob won't go there now because they know you work there. Just makes both u and PA look bad. It's a shame really.

:bigthumb:agree::fna:^^

[flyin2jz]

I understand u are mad. It's a fuel pump issue. He doesn't know it will go bad. The car must have ran or you wouldn't have taken it. At least I'd hope u wouldn't. People take their cars out of a shop and beat the crap out of them. I'm in no way saying u did that but I've done it after working on my own car and broke it within 20 min on my twin turbo supra. I exploded the turbos. That wasn't my tuners fault

[flyin2jz]

Every project ends up costing more than anticipated. It's just the nature of the game. Did you two work something out with the final bill vs the bill he had originally handed u?

[swt99svt]

I understand u are mad. It's a fuel pump issue. He doesn't know it will go bad. The car must have ran or you wouldn't have taken it. At least I'd hope u wouldn't. People take their cars out of a shop and beat the crap out of them. I'm in no way saying u did that but I've done it after working on my own car and broke it within 20 min on my twin turbo supra. I exploded the turbos. That wasn't my tuners fault

Lol, i'm still running a t45 and yes that is a ticking time bomb only i have responsibility over. this isn't a race car. it's not a track car. i've owned the car for 10yrs and always dreamed of a boosted application. it's a sunday funday driver and i've said that all along.

tonights check on the pumps and finding i have a dead relay rules out the pumps, for now.

[swt99svt]

Every project ends up costing more than anticipated. It's just the nature of the game. Did you two work something out with the final bill vs the bill he had originally handed u?

yes and i made a point to document that in post #168 before anyone asked me.

[Dirtyd0g]

Thanks for the links! This is what I need! http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VIA-80237/

Not sure if it has anything to do with the CCRM. Again, the relay that is toast is in the trunk at the FPDM.

Don't get me wrong, the way it's wired, it's actually a pretty smart idea. However, it's more complex than it needs to be. A traditional gut of the returnless system takes the CCRM and the FPDM out of the equation and you rely on a nice key on ignition source along with the FPR, in line dual relays for the pumps, and the tune.


I hope it helps, I have bought relay kits locally and they always end up being crap that the wires can go anywhere so I have been using those, easier to keep a few in stock than pay $20 for a junk one locally and that is what happens. I use them for mounting cooling fans on cars that didn't have them and for headlight conversions among other things. I hate putting load on factory electrical systems they were barely rated for the loads they have if anything I reduce the load and only use the stock system for triggering the relays. Marine style battery clamps, a battery terminal crimper and a micro torch to solder wire ends makes for quality that even factory components don't even compare to. Wires sealed with solder never corrode.
Alan

[swt99svt]

yes and i made a point to document that in post #168 before anyone asked me.

I owe some clarification... The original quote was $4,500 and the final bill I received was $10,000. Hopefully the comment I made about the quote ballooning 2.5x makes more sense. Yes, I get it, it's not 2.5x but you get the point.

I made two payments of $1,500 for completed work. The final payment made was $3,800 so the total investment for the shop's work was $6,800.

I read my posts again and felt this deserved some clarification.

[flyin2jz]

So he went down from the 10k to 6800? Do u have a detailed print out of all the work completed? I paid 3200 to get my motor put together after providing the parts. We are only 3k off so he must not have done too much work.

[swt99svt]

So he went down from the 10k to 6800? Do u have a detailed print out of all the work completed? I paid 3200 to get my motor put together after providing the parts. We are only 3k off so he must not have done too much work.

No. I never received a formal invoice. When I picked up the car Jeff processed the payment and provided a written receipt and said he would get back to me with a formal finalized invoice for all the work.

He did however send me an excel breakout of the work done but at this point I think any additional conversation related to the issue is a moot point and not worth breaking into semantics. I've expressed my experience, shared my thoughts, provided input, and so have others.

[jktruckin06]

don`t forget the 18 hours on the fuel system... did they cold roll the lines themselves or what lol

[flyin2jz]

I'm just saying that if he did a motor rebuild,fuel,pumps,rear gears,suspension, tranny install,tune,chip that's a lot of stuff done for that price. Oh I think I forgot blower install. I wouldn't have touched it for 3800 if that's the amount of stuff he did. That's why it's relevant to what's going on to see what was done. If u don't want to post it I can get it anyway so u might as well post what all work was done. I am with u on the amount of time it took. I would have been a little upset to.

[swt99svt]

I'm just saying that if he did a motor rebuild,fuel,pumps,rear gears,suspension, tranny install,tune,chip that's a lot of stuff done for that price. Oh I think I forgot blower install. I wouldn't have touched it for 3800 if that's the amount of stuff he did. That's why it's relevant to what's going on to see what was done. If u don't want to post it I can get it anyway so u might as well post what all work was done. I am with u on the amount of time it took. I would have been a little upset to.

Remember, this was spec'd as a 03/04 rebuild. Feel free to review my build thread. It already had the blower installed. I had completed the tear down of everything which we have touched on in previous posts and is also outlined in the build thread and the parts and car were picked up from my home which I paid for. Only additions to the build were gauges and 03/04 seats.

Total hours for Jeff's work quoted 42.5
Total hours for Jeff's work billed 94.75

Billed at $80 an hour.

Note I've taken the machine shop cost out of there. Quote on that was $900 and ended up being $1250.

Jeff knew what he was getting. This is a Mustang for crying out loud. Not an Enzo Ferrari.

This is the best I can do with an Excel image.

If you want the 4th revision of the quote get it from Jeff. Why am I defending myself?

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i330/swt99svt/PAQuoteRev4.jpg

[flyin2jz]

That's quite a list. I can't read it. Too blurry take a pic with your phone or something.

[facemelter71]

You know there is a law in Ohio that they cannot charge more than 10% of the original estimate,right?

[swt99svt]

You know there is a law in Ohio that they cannot charge more than 10% of the original estimate,right?

interesting.

[swt99svt]

That's quite a list. I can't read it. Too blurry take a pic with your phone or something.

no. I'm not your monkey. the reality, trying to persuade you is as productive as banging my head against a wall. it's starting to hurt and will get me nowhere. I commend you on your dedication to the shop. you seem to have a foundation built on great experiences. I don't have that.

you said you could get it from Jeff so head that way. I'm done.

[swt99svt]

apparently i exceeded the 15 minute window for an edit. here is what i was working on from the post above.

no. I'm not your monkey. the reality, trying to persuade you is as productive as banging my head against a wall. it's starting to hurt and will get me nowhere. I commend you on your dedication to the shop. you seem to have a foundation built on great experiences. I don't have that.

The list recaps the original quote and then the original quote plus the difference in quoted hours vs billed hours. it also includes an itemized list of the fuel parts. of which, were the only parts i did not supply.

i'm glad you understand the timeline. that's not my only point of contention. maybe these would bother you too?

- was promised the car would be cleaned and washed, it wasn't. i had the pleasure of cleaning nearly 7 months worth of shop dust on the inside and out
- was promised (and CHARGED) for a blueprinted motor. i never received the specs, how do i know it actually happened and what my final compression is?
- i have no dyno sheet. how do i know what my af looks like throughout the pull? how do i know what my power and torque curve is?
- did jeff mention anything about the timing on my car? did he tell you that my car peeks about 400rpm before what he thought it should? did you notice that this is an e85 car with 1 full point of compression (at least it should be) higher than a 03/04? did you notice i have a full posi performance port throughout? if you consider that, don't you think my final numbers are a little light? don't get me going on the dyno conversation because if i had a dyno sheet that outlined the sae correction along with the ambient temperature and humidity along with documentation of the af, hp, and tq curves i would understand the numbers
- did jeff tell you about my AN fittings? how they tried to sand them so they would be silver since they were blue but had trouble getting the blue off so they stopped but went ahead and installed the half sanded AN fittings on my car? did you ask jeff if i asked for this to be done? because i didn't.
- did you ask jeff if he lost any of my parts? he did. he lost a $100 JLT prefilter for my pcv system. bet he didn't mention that. (let me guess, the next dispute was it likely got lost in the boxes of parts?)

dude, the issues are outside of what you know. while there is clarity in the details what's the use. i gave a high level summary for a reason. getting into the minute details are just that to most. minute. but to me, they are the details that mattered and jeff knew that. jeff is supposed to be a king in the mustang corral. he knows what it takes to disassemble and build a motor. he knows what it takes to clean up the sloppy irs. he knows what it takes to assemble a motor, suspension, fuel system, gauges, wiring, and the rest of what my build was.

again, this isn't rocket science. it's a mustang. i get things can happen. rusted bolts. stuck bushings. as a professional of a trade, we as employees or company owners are expected to have an understanding of the scope of work. the SOW of what was performed was not so far reaching from what was quoted. so why then would it balloon. again, i didn't complain about parts nor did i complain about machine work.

lastly, you said you could get the quote from Jeff so head that way. I'm done.

[Dirtyd0g]

You know there is a law in Ohio that they cannot charge more than 10% of the original estimate,right?

No more than 20% without consent. I have never had to use it but the shop I used to work for did. I have a different way of doing things. Instead of quoting low to get work then charging more once I have it I try to be on the high side so worst case scenario it's right , people love paying less than they expected. I will generally call to get consent on anything that is more than a few bucks that isn't worth arguing over.
Alan

[Rick93coupe]

Kevin, if you think your helping, I can assure you that you aren't.

[SN95N/A]

^well said lol short and right too the point.

[swt99svt]

Kevin, if you think your helping, I can assure you that you aren't.

It's good knowledge to have for others. For me, I've already paid the bill and it's done.

Jeff met me on a price I could at least swallow. To paraphrase him... It's not worth the money I would spend in court trying to recoup the difference.

The difference of what I paid to what the quote was plus the addition of gauges and interior would be washed away by arbitration fees, attorney, and let alone court fees if it ever got that far.

I've had one heck of a year of shit with shop experiences with my car. I did this as a last gift to myself since I just had my first daughter. That "gift" got shot to hell and the good Lord showed me that the only gift I needed to focus on was my daughter.

30k over the course of these experiences would have been an awesome fund for her in a 529 18yrs from now. Thank goodness the rest of the disposable income I had was locked up and put away for her.

Also, while this debacle was going on, I sold my old boat and bought a new one. That transaction kept my mind off this BS and at least that could be financed!!!! :cheers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CXViuVD58