wanting to know if u can hit 700hp na on a set of twisted wedge heads

[cyah92]

just trying to c if I got to go another route.

[bangingears]

just trying to c if I got to go another route.

cant happen

[Brandon Alsept]

^ What that guy said.

You would have to go to something like a High Port from Trick Flow.

[TooFast98Cobra]

Sure as long as they are worked really well.
I made 625 na on a 349

[Goober]

What about a set of R heads?

[cyah92]

I geuss these things r going for sale. think im going to get some high ports thanks guys.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

I geuss these things r going for sale. think im going to get some high ports thanks guys.

Check out some of the TEA ported high ports:bigthumb

[TurboNG]

cant happen

Sorry but inaccurate

[TurboNG]

I make 630s on a 595 lift cam in a 349ci motor

[TurboNG]

I bet i could get close to 750 with 393ci, .700 lift, 8500rpm, and some compression.

[cyah92]

it would b cheaper for me to try I geuss. just so pist of about this whole situation.

[Pops Fun]

I make 623 on my ported tw heads, mild cam I could get 700 pretty easy I think.

[akagreg3]

cant happen

anything is possible!! given the money and know how.

[cyah92]

there is a guy I know told me the same thing. he has bischoff builds his engines and told me to go with a 700+ cam with big compression engine and I should b there. the bad thing is I got to wait in line now to get the machine work done since there bussy now and cant get it done for awhile.

[mustangboy]

You also talking at the crank or at the wheels. Why so dead set on 700hp?

[SN95N/A]

Good luck I will be happy if I could make 500hp

[mustangboy]

In my experience even a car that makes 300hp and runs is way more fun than a car that makes 700 and is sitting on jack stands.:bigthumb If what you have is what you can afford then get it together and have fun. Chasing an imaginary number is no fun when it leaves you broke all the time and I'm speaking from experience

[cyah92]

that will be at the crank. trying to make it to mid to low nines.

[cyah92]

I agree on that but my build is almost done. I figure 1500 to 2000 more dollars and I will be done. if it wasn't for the engine I bought that wasn't suppose to have anything wrong with it . I would have been done by now. but it seems like this engine is curse and hopefully im the one that's going to turn that around.

[ibstrokin]

Just to be clear, you want to make 700 HP NA, I think that is a very lofty goal with any head you use. TFS will make 700 HP with any power adder, but even then it takes some work.

Even if you could make 700 HP NA, that engine would be so peaky and hard to drive that it would be in a track only car, which is fine if that's what your after.

Actually, I'm not being a dick here, but most people that would be building a NA motor that would make that kind of power, would have knowledge beyond that question, and wouldn't need to ask it on a forum. What I'm getting at is, if you want to run mid 9's, does it have to be NA, is this for a set of rules for class racing?

Making a high HP NA engine isn't really any cheaper than a boosted setup. The parts start to get very pricey because the RPM's will have to go way up, and the harder you spin things, the harder it is on parts.

I'm not familiar with your situation, but maybe it's better to ask the question in a different way, or state your goals and maybe get some advice on how to achieve them. Basically paint a more complete picture.

Just trying to help...

[cyah92]

I thought it was a reasonable question. I c 700hp cars driving the street all the time. its just that they have power boosters. u are being a dick. I know how to make it just wanting to know if u can do it with a set of twisted wedge heads. sounds like a bunch of words that's shouldn't have been said.

[ibstrokin]

Not at all. The difference between a boosted car making 700 HP and an NA car making 700 HP is drivebility. I'm actually trying to help, not being a dick.

The boosted car doesn't have to be spun as hard to make the power. A boosted car drives around in vacuum, and has the extra power on tap. The na car has to use rpm, which moves the power and torque out of the lower rpm range, which is where street driving is done.

[bangingears]

I bet i could get close to 750 with 393ci, .700 lift, 8500rpm, and some compression.

630 is not 700.............at that level every HP is very very expensive. I have had some of the best twisted wedges out there, we are talking 5-6000 dollar sets of heads. Can it be done, yes...... are u going to do it, no........ sorry for my brutal honesty.

[Pops Fun]

I make 623 on my ported tw heads, mild cam I could get 700 pretty easy I think.
Guess I missed the N/A part ... Mine is boosted... I am shutting up. :lol:

[ibstrokin]

Guess I missed the N/A part ... Mine is boosted... I am shutting up. :lol:

I missed initially also, that detail is a game changer. I would guess most responses to this thread missed it too.

[93 coupe]

I make 623 on my ported tw heads, mild cam I could get 700 pretty easy I think.

With a blower right? I think he means n/a.

[93 coupe]

630 is not 700.............at that level every HP is very very expensive. I have had some of the best twisted wedges out there, we are talking 5-6000 dollar sets of heads. Can it be done, yes...... are u going to do it, no........ sorry for my brutal honesty.


I agree Jason. Call BES and 20K later maybe 700 with those heads. That would be a max effort deal and would probably be high maintenance!

[cyah92]

yes I said it was na. these heads I have has a lot of work done to them. the reason it cost 20k is because that is building an engine from the start. the labor at a shop is insane. mines almost done so that would take a lot of cost out of it. im not talking about building a 700 na engine with these heads.im asking if it can b done. its nice when people go over board on bs when u just ask a simple question. well if your going to spend 20k for a 700 na engine I feel sorry for u. my brother spent 14k to build a 750 na engine so I would switch engine builders.

[cyah92]

title sais it all. to all u guys that know it all. if a 349 pushing 630hp na. what will a 393 700+ lift cam pushing 121/2 to 1 compression engine push. im going to get this engine built and c what it puts out.

[TurboNG]

630 is not 700.............at that level every HP is very very expensive. I have had some of the best twisted wedges out there, we are talking 5-6000 dollar sets of heads. Can it be done, yes...... are u going to do it, no........ sorry for my brutal honesty.

With a 351 it wouldnt be hard at all. I make 630s in my street car, mild cam mild compression, if i had a race car i could do it on my 349. On his almost 400ci motor i could hit 750 on TW heads

[TurboNG]

With a blower right? I think he means n/a.

Im NA NO POWER ADDERS

[TurboNG]

Not at all. The difference between a boosted car making 700 HP and an NA car making 700 HP is drivebility. I'm actually trying to help, not being a dick.

The boosted car doesn't have to be spun as hard to make the power. A boosted car drives around in vacuum, and has the extra power on tap. The na car has to use rpm, which moves the power and torque out of the lower rpm range, which is where street driving is done.

I put about 8-9k miles a year on the street with my car @630 yes a .700 lift cam and more compression would be a little crazy

[TurboNG]

He asked "if" it can be done, YES it can.

I built my heads and im a no body, Mike bell built my short block and help finish, he also tuned my car on pump gas and the car runs out. For the amount of money into it.

[cyah92]

thanks for helping. I will c what I get out of it.

[Blowpastyou]

I have $500 that says your car doesn't make 630 to the tires NA Dave. 937...681..0911. Call and prove to collect. Not tryin to be a dick. But I bet it's not near 600

[SN95N/A]

My car makes 830 with set stock heads bahahaha

[Walter]

I have $500 that says your car doesn't make 630 to the tires NA Dave. 937...681..0911. Call and prove to collect. Not tryin to be a dick. But I bet it's not near 600


:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

^ What that guy said.

You would have to go to something like a High Port from Trick Flow.

This is the best advise given in this thread. ;)

[TurboNG]

I have $500 that says your car doesn't make 630 to the tires NA Dave. 937...681..0911. Call and prove to collect. Not tryin to be a dick. But I bet it's not near 600

No one ever said wheel HP my "motor" makes 630 HP

[TurboNG]

Makes 550 to the wheels

[cyah92]

I will c what it hits before I get some highports. got me wondering what it would push.

[cyah92]

i know it will b radical for the street but it will mainly b a track. occasionally will drive it to the track.

[Jeff88coupe]

Here is what you need...
http://www.totalengineairflow.com/products-page/products/cnc-ported-cylinder-heads/ford/289302351w/tfs-highport-20/trickflow-250-highport-cylinder-heads/

[Brandon Alsept]

I will c what it hits before I get some highports. got me wondering what it would push.

If you do a max effort on the Twisted wedge, you would have to do new pistons for the highports.

[Goober]

Here is what you need...
http://www.totalengineairflow.com/products-page/products/cnc-ported-cylinder-heads/ford/289302351w/tfs-highport-20/trickflow-250-highport-cylinder-heads/

Is OP using a standard bore block, or a 4.125+" bore?

[dr59l]

My buddy runs those on a 444w an hit 890 n/a an 1200+ on the fogger in his mud drag truck

[cyah92]

If you do a max effort on the Twisted wedge, you would have to do new pistons for the highports.

unless i go with the r heads

[cyah92]

time will tell.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

My buddy runs those on a 444w an hit 890 n/a an 1200+ on the fogger in his mud drag truck

890 hp NA on a 20 degree headed nitrous motor? That is about 100hp over some of the best engine builders in the country...

[Whyucryn]

Well my buddy.................


Never mind!! Lol

[9cobra4]

My uncles buddies cousin had this 2.3 with just a K&N drop in, and it made 12,475rwhp. It had one TW head, so yeah it totally could be done.

[Rick93coupe]

Just to be clear, you want to make 700 HP NA, I think that is a very lofty goal with any head you use. TFS will make 700 HP with any power adder, but even then it takes some work.

Even if you could make 700 HP NA, that engine would be so peaky and hard to drive that it would be in a track only car, which is fine if that's what your after.

Actually, I'm not being a dick here, but most people that would be building a NA motor that would make that kind of power, would have knowledge beyond that question, and wouldn't need to ask it on a forum. What I'm getting at is, if you want to run mid 9's, does it have to be NA, is this for a set of rules for class racing?

Making a high HP NA engine isn't really any cheaper than a boosted setup. The parts start to get very pricey because the RPM's will have to go way up, and the harder you spin things, the harder it is on parts.

I'm not familiar with your situation, but maybe it's better to ask the question in a different way, or state your goals and maybe get some advice on how to achieve them. Basically paint a more complete picture.

Just trying to help...

How dare you bring logic into this...lol

[dr59l]

Well my buddy wat? Look it up on you tube under towboater65 its a flamed t bucket mud rail. 14/1 444 dart motor w a .740 solid roller an 250cc hi ports. Out in Illinois. I know knobody knows as much as others an such but a well planned engine goes far. Hell tea built a 306 cube motor pushing over 600hp. Its on their page

[dr59l]

Want real power come dyno these 12cyl emd 710 series I get paid to babysit. How about 3000hp @950 rpm?

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Well my buddy wat? Look it up on you tube under towboater1965 its a flamed t bucket mud rail. 14/1 444 dart motor w a .740 solid roller an 250cc hi ports. Out in Illinois. I know knobody knows as much as others an such but a well planned engine goes far. Hell tea built a 306 cube motor pushing over 600hp. Its on their page

I know of a couple BES nitrous motors of similar size with TEA 255s and Kuntz & Co high ports that were built with no expense spared and cams that make .740 look like a street cam. They are no where near these numbers nor is anyone else in the country. It requires over 400cfm and 15 degree or less valve angles for a SBF to make that kind of power NA especially being built for spray.

[dr59l]

Then sounds like op needs a set of cv1s or some c3s then cause tricks just not gonna get it done!

[dr59l]

Look at some of the 420" sbf Chris uratchko built making from 980-1040 HP n/a. That is crazy hi rpm fun!

[dr59l]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThFWc45h5c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
with a 347 an way less compression than ur 393

[SN95N/A]

Just spray the roof off of it you will be happy with the results

[Blowpastyou]

R's won't work with t/w pistons either. Unless your running baby cam.. Which would defeat the purpose of using r's

[TurboNG]

Point being can it be done? YES. IT CAN!
Do you want to spend the money to do it? Prob not!

[cyah92]

I have inline pistons u can see on my thread were the valves were hitting the pistons

[cyah92]

and that was with a hydraulic cam. I agree I probably wont hit 700hp. just asking the question was the main thing. if I hit 650 I would b happy. I know it will cost a lot more money to even go faster. I know I should of probably built a turbo car trying to get that number especially for the street but I thought I was getting a good deal on an engine. I will get this engine done and see what it does and go with it. getting to late to start changing everything now. unless you know somebody wants to traid me some highports.

[facemelter71]

This type of thread has been discussed before.

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68963&highlight=NASCAR

[cyah92]

how did the other thread turn out.

[orangedemon331]

This type of thread has been discussed before.

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68963&highlight=NASCAR

That was a good thread too!!! Lmao

[Maximus]

This type of thread has been discussed before.

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68963&highlight=NASCAR

Awwww...When Craig was here under is actual scree name.:(

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Look at some of the 420" sbf Chris uratchko built making from 980-1040 HP n/a. That is crazy hi rpm fun!

Exactly. Roughly 470cfm Edelbrock SC1s... Not 20 degree highports. Purpose built NA heads up motor I think Highport motors are around 830hp on spray under 800.

[TooFast98Cobra]

Just take a look at the 311 PS motors RGR builds. My buddy Ryan has close to 30k into his. It can be done but your gonna pay to play .

[Brandon Alsept]

Just take a look at the 311 PS motors RGR builds. My buddy Ryan has close to 30k into his. It can be done but your gonna pay to play .

And Ryans engine made no where near 700 horse.

[TooFast98Cobra]

And Ryans engine made no where near 700 horse.

x2 Break out the black card

[cyah92]

feel sorry for ryan spending 30k on an engine that didn't go 700. my brother spent half of that and going to make more than 700hp.

[TooFast98Cobra]

me too lol, but it was built for a specific class.

[Whyucryn]

Lol. All kinds of good laughs in here

[facemelter71]

It all comes down to how much money your wanting to lay down. It also comes down to drive-ability.

A SBF at 700 N/A is not going to be fun stop light driving around town.

[cyah92]

I will make sure I don't get in that class.

[SN95N/A]

Very entertaining..

[cyah92]

i wouldn't know about that. but i will find out. i know it wont hit 700na and i didn't say i was going to try to with these heads. just a question i wanted to know. no im not going to go out and by a set of 3500dollar heads right now either. i would b happy to hit 600 to 650 range. it was suppose to b pushing around 540hp already. so i figure switching to a 720 solid roller cam. already got some beefy springs i could break the 600na mark.

[cyah92]

it is entertaining. sometimes i think they think i got a 302 im building from scratch. what does everybody else have.

[k062693w]

You've been told NO by more many people that are more than qualified to answer, And yet you seem to be beating a dead horse ...

You asked if 700hp N/A was possible with the twisted wedges you have, And yet when it's answered you get Butt Hurt ... It was said it was possible with a ton of $$$ and you say you aren't going to spend it, So you have your answer !!! NO

We don't need a 30 page thread about a set of heads that will not do what you want ... Seems simple to me ??? Spend the $$$ as suggested, Build an Unstreetable motor, Or go with what you have and be happy with it ... If you keep shooting for a # you will always be unhappy ... JMHO

Why is 700hp so important ???

[SN95N/A]

I jus got a stock 4v makin around 300.....and a 363 windsor my shits slow and under powered.

[cyah92]

your best bet is to shut up and get out of my thread then. didn't need know kids bs.

[SN95N/A]

Thought u asked what everyone else had lol

[cyah92]

i wasn't talking to u sn95/a

[cyah92]

its pretty sad when u ask a question and u got people that just want to b a prick. i got my answer thanks for it. i really appreciate it. if u don't like the thread don't read it. i don't go on your threads running my mouth. if people make it a 30 page so b it. its not up to u.
make your own damn post bitching about post that keep going on.

[akagreg3]

Lol. All kinds of good laughs in here

ditto big rob...

[k062693w]

WOW !!! don't ask if YOU CAN'T Handle the answers !!!

Here are a couple sites where you may fit in better ???

www.nickjr.com
www.lego.com
www.toysrus.com

Maybe they will tell you what you want to hear ???

I know my children seem to enjoy those sites and always seem to be smiling while they are on ...

[facemelter71]

Calm down Aaron.

All he wants is 700 horse out of his twisted wedge headed small block that runs on unicorn poop.

[k062693w]

Calm down Aaron.

All he wants is 700 horse out of his twisted wedge headed small block that runs on unicorn poop.

LMAO !!! I'm calm ... I promise !!! :lol:

But DAMN ... How many times does this horse need beaten ??? :bigthumb

[facemelter71]

Ha,
Its obviously not dead yet. Ever moved a dead horse? It aint fun I can tell ya that.

[Whyucryn]

I have a conventional headed 364ci sbf that makes 650 n/a. And it's actually 100% built for spray.

[facemelter71]

40 roll?


meaning Ill start at 40 and you from a dead stop.. That work for you,set it up...


hahaha,i dont have a shot.

[Whyucryn]

Lol. I like my rolls with butter. O'charley rolls to be specific!! Lol

[cyah92]

your starting to sound like my kids. this post is for big boys. not the complaint department. im not beating around the dead horse just getting knowledge unlike u complaining about my post. nobody said anything bad about u so there was know need for your comment.

[cstreu1026]

Lol. I like my rolls with butter. O'charley rolls to be specific!! Lol

.....and potato soup.

[k062693w]

Lol. I like my rolls with butter. O'charley rolls to be specific!! Lol

:bigthumb They are the F$%KING BOMB !!! I almost fill up on those and don't have room for my meal ... ALMOST !!! :bigthumb


Anyone think I can make 1000hp with a set of double humps on a 307 ??? :lol:

[k062693w]

Sounds like someone in this thread needs some Cheese and Crackers to go with his WHINE ???

[facemelter71]

Lol. I like my rolls with butter. O'charley rolls to be specific!! Lol

The only thing good at O'charley's. The rest of the menu can fall off a cliff.

[k062693w]

The only thing good at O'charley's. The rest of the menu can fall off a cliff.

Don't forget the McRib WITH Pickles !!! :bigthumb

[facemelter71]

I rented the last mcrib I got. For about 30 minutes. Then I returned it where it came from,the toilet.

[cyah92]

nobodys beating around the horse. you think your a bad ass because u come on my thread and bash it. grow up kid. I got two of my own don't need to here your bs either.

[SN95N/A]

Im not to sure why someone cant ask a simple question In a thread and get an answer without people sworming in and talking shit..I thought it was a decent question he relized he couldnt make it happen and decided he would try for a lower #..I believe this same thing happened in a SRA Question a while back lol.

[Rich]

Here is some interesting reading....

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/dyno-board/493818-jay-allens-347-a.html

and the video...
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8ThFWc45h5c

[k062693w]

Im not to sure why someone cant ask a simple question In a thread and get an answer without people sworming in and talking shit..I thought it was a decent question he relized he couldnt make it happen and decided he would try for a lower #..I believe this same thing happened in a SRA Question a while back lol.

Read below and there is your answer !!! :bigthumb


nobodys beating around the horse. you think your a bad ass because u come on my thread and bash it. grow up kid. I got two of my own don't need to here your bs either.

I don't think I'm a Bad A$$ ??? I don't remember mentioning or saying I was ???
Did I say it somewhere and forgot ???

And BTW it's beating a Dead Horse, Not around one !!! :lol:

You may want to try a little thicker skin on the web, Because FYI ... You will NOT ALWAYS get the answer you want ... :lol:

[cyah92]

You've been told NO by more many people that are more than qualified to answer, And yet you seem to be beating a dead horse ...

You asked if 700hp N/A was possible with the twisted wedges you have, And yet when it's answered you get Butt Hurt ... It was said it was possible with a ton of $$$ and you say you aren't going to spend it, So you have your answer !!! NO

We don't need a 30 page thread about a set of heads that will not do what you want ... Seems simple to me ??? Spend the $$$ as suggested, Build an Unstreetable motor, Or go with what you have and be happy with it ... If you keep shooting for a # you will always be unhappy ... JMHO

Why is 700hp so important ???

when did I cry about it.

[k062693w]

when did I cry about it.

I never said you cried ??? Do you need reading comprehension also ???
I said BUTT HURT, Which is just how you are acting !!! :bigthumb

Not being a "BAD A$$" just stating the OBVIOUS !!! Thanks for playing !!! :lol:

[dr59l]

Here is some interesting reading....

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/dyno-board/493818-jay-allens-347-a.html

and the video...
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8ThFWc45h5c

That's the video I posted on page one with

[k062693w]

^^^ Page 3 !!! But who's keeping track ??? LOL ^^^

[rmracing]

I Think the old fun ford street warrior guys were in the 9.40 to 9.50 range with 311na setups and twisted wedge heads . There's a reason a 311na engine can get up close to 30,000 . When trying to get to these elite levels it involves a lot of time and money trying different things . These engines are filled with custom parts that are very expensive and take several months or longer to get . There is a huge difference in price in your typical mail order parts and custom stuff .

[dr59l]

Like a fella I know Charley kniselys fools gold mustang 331 Hogan sheet metal intake w dual 4s Holman Moody solid roller hitting 6.2s all day 1/8 w a dr4 Jericho. That's mid 9s

[SN95N/A]

Depending on how hard it pulls after the 8th

[dr59l]

I say just run wat u can afford match it well an u will be surprised the times u can run w less power an more reliability

[dr59l]

It turns 8500 an I'm sure u will see him at kilcare w it or the old buckeye hillbilly or maverick or God knows wat he has so many

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Hell it's easy to blow $30,000+ on an engine for a heads up car. Most people don't realize how much this shit costs. When you spend $7,000 on heads, $1000 having a $500 intake ported, $1300+ on rockers, $1300 on a belt drive, $3000-3500 on a crank, $1400 on rods, $1300 on pistons, $2800 on lifters, $3000 on a dry sump pump, $700 oil pan, $2000-6000 on a block, plus rings, bearings, studs, gaskets, machining, etc. shit adds up QUICK.

[Whyucryn]

Hell it's easy to blow $30,000+ on an engine for a heads up car. Most people don't realize how much this shit costs. When you spend $7,000 on heads, $1000 having a $500 intake ported, $1300+ on rockers, $1300 on a belt drive, $3000-3500 on a crank, $1400 on rods, $1300 on pistons, $2800 on lifters, $3000 on a dry sump pump, $700 oil pan, $2000-6000 on a block, plus rings, bearings, studs, gaskets, machining, etc. shit adds up QUICK.

Yes... Yes it does :-(

[TurboNG]

This thread smells like gay sex! And you all that dont even build engines and act like you're john force of engine building are the main contributors of the smell.
:flipoff::popcorn: go home youre :drunk:

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

This thread smells like gay sex! And you all that dont even build engines and act like you're john force of engine building are the main contributors of the smell.
:flipoff::popcorn: go home youre :drunk:

Who exactly are you talking to?

[TurboNG]

All these trolls in here that talk like they know how to build engines because they bought a set of heads from summit, bolted them on and made an extra 50hp.
And the people that pay for their car to be built because they dont know how to do it them selves but online they are top fuel engine mechanics.

[Whyucryn]

Didn't Mike Bell build your motor?

[TurboNG]

Adam i know you know what youre doing and i can respect your opinion if you feel it cant be done but everyone else just needs to be quiet and let adults talk.

[TurboNG]

Didn't Mike Bell build your motor?

Mike and I built my short Block, I ported and built my heads and assembled the motor. Mike gave his experience and input on everything ive done to my car and engine. He also tuned the car and has been helping with the suspension plans. Would my engine be what it is with out Mikes help? No it wouldnt. Mike was the brains and i turned the wrench.

[TurboNG]

I lack only the experience and tricks these guys that have been building engines for 10-20 years and Mike is full of that knowledge.

[Whyucryn]

That whole built not bought bull shit is for the birds. I'm not pointing fingers directly at you but at that whole blah blah blah. Unless you wittle your pistols out of a block of aluminum and wittle your rods, crank, block and everything else out of a piece of steel.... You're still buying your stuff. You might assemble the parts you bought, but that's about it. Especially when others have to do all the machine work, balancing, and all that stuff.

[dr59l]

I personally built my hooptie all by myself aside my friends doing the machine work. Front to back even down to my $700 tko600 w a busted case which w a new liberty case an cut CB syncros shifts awesome. I may not have $20000 in my motor but it sure has suprised a lot of people. Don't care about dyno numbers just time slips an actually driving my street car just like anyone else. U build engines professionally I build an maintain diesel engines for a living bigger than ur car. Yea some guys pay others to work on their cars but that's wat put food on Adam an mikes table. Like said last post build wat u can afford an maintain an go have fun. Op asked if its possible well Jay an Chris video showed it can but not at the price to be worth it an def hi maintenance

[TurboNG]

That whole built not bought bull shit is for the birds. I'm not pointing fingers directly at you but at that whole blah blah blah. Unless you wittle your pistols out of a block of aluminum and wittle your rods, crank, block and everything else out of a piece of steel.... You're still buying your stuff. You might assemble the parts you bought, but that's about it. Especially when others have to do all the machine work, balancing, and all that stuff.

Do you know the difference on cylinder wall clearance on a NA motor compared to boosted? How about spring seat pressure on hyd vs solid roller? Mb you do but most dont, anyone could follow a Hanes and build a motor from a pile of parts. But not everyone can get the max power out of that motor.
I appreciate building my cars more than i would just buying a 20k drag car off ebay.

[TurboNG]

I personally built my hooptie all by myself aside my friends doing the machine work. Front to back even down to my $700 tko600 w a busted case which w a new liberty case an cut CB syncros shifts awesome. I may not have $20000 in my motor but it sure has suprised a lot of people. Don't care about dyno numbers just time slips an actually driving my street car just like anyone else. U build engines professionally I build an maintain diesel engines for a living bigger than ur car. Yea some guys pay others to work on their cars but that's wat put food on Adam an mikes table. Like said last post build wat u can afford an maintain an go have fun. Op asked if its possible well Jay an Chris video showed it can but not at the price to be worth it an def hi maintenance

I agree with you, i did jet engines for the AirForce for 7 years then did Diesel generators for another 5 years, i went through Sinclair's auto program and HP classes, im not an expert at race engines but i have the basics down.

[TurboNG]

Most 347 motors around here make 400hp numbers to the wheels, mine makes 550. Mb it was luck. :cool2:

[Whyucryn]

Do you know the difference on cylinder wall clearance on a NA motor compared to boosted? How about spring seat pressure on hyd vs solid roller? Mb you do but most dont, anyone could follow a Hanes and build a motor from a pile of parts. But not everyone can get the max power out of that motor.
I appreciate building my cars more than i would just buying a 20k drag car off ebay.

It's different strokes for different folks. Some people like knowing the details, some could careless. Does it make you a better person? No.. Not at all. If someone held my hand and told me exactly what to do and lead me every step I could probably build a space shuttle... But does that make me a space shuttle builder?? Max effort shit is never ending. Especially with today's technology and never ending parts designs and so on. By the time you get a motor together the parts you've got have probably already been upgraded most likely.. It's just never ending. You gotta decide what your goal is and go from there.

[Adam@S&MMotorsports]

Adam i know you know what youre doing and i can respect your opinion if you feel it cant be done but everyone else just needs to be quiet and let adults talk.

I'm sure it can be done, just not in any practical, streetable, or economical way. Drop off a pile of money at BES and I'm sure Tony could pull a rabbit out of his ass. If you want the best of the best you pay for it, in the NA or nitrous world that is Tony. Well at least anywhere near here. The point most were trying to make is that you can buy much better heads for much less money. The videos show a 690+ hp pull at 105-111 degrees, how many people run ice water through their street cars engines before the burnout? I'm still trying to find the 900hp NA nitrous trick flow high port motors so I can buy two of them! :lol: Limited 8.5 class killers!:lol:

[Goober]

... and everyone wonders why this site is going to shit

[dr59l]

As deep as hyper vs forged an how much gap per inch bore loose bearing clearances rebutting knife edging wat cam materials vs pressure an lobe design for right pressures an the list goes on an on an lighter is btr an keeping mass towards center of rotation. Loads of tricks an knowing how an wen to use them. No not everyone knows all that but some do a lot of it. An wanting to know how to go faster for less I asked an read but I remember asking guys going fast that acted like pricks cause I was young an didn't wanna help. All this crap is stupid if u need help cool if u know it all then help a Guy.out.

[TurboNG]

See this is how its supposed to be, people share input not their opinions, experience and not speculation.
:bigthumb

[dr59l]

Yea in a perfect world but this is racing an God like egos always come out. One thing about it I see if I ever need help on build or tuning where to go

[k062693w]

I know from my experience that the McRib is better with pickles !!!

[dr59l]

LOL I bet but two is btr than one cause that's just warming up

[k062693w]

See this is how its supposed to be, people share input not their opinions, experience and not speculation.
:bigthumb

Don't throw stones in your Glass House !!!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff282/k062693w/KilKare11-07-2009006.jpg

LMFAO !!!

[Whyucryn]

I have a 364ci sbf with a cam designed specifically for nitrous, rings setup specifically for nitrous... And my motor still made 650 n/a... That's with some junk ass Victor Jr heads and a carb

[dr59l]

Thats real good power w Vic jrs cause didn't think they could

[TurboNG]

Don't throw stones in your Glass House !!!
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff282/k062693w/KilKare11-07-2009006.jpg

LMFAO !!!

At least my car makes it to the track for people who dont can take photos of it.
;)

[SN95N/A]

Nice picture

[TurboNG]

I have a 364ci sbf with a cam designed specifically for nitrous, rings setup specifically for nitrous... And my motor still made 650 n/a... That's with some junk ass Victor Jr heads and a carb

Being Carbed is a leading factor in that number, the short runners make more HP, how much torq it make though? Prb about 550crank ?

[TurboNG]

John Force no restart, he must have junk since he had to be towed off the track too. :flipoff:

[1baddlx]

My question is how much hp is stock block capable of handling before you have to upgrade to a dart block?

[TurboNG]

LOL depends, sometimes 500whp sometimes more.
I know guys that make 6-700hp to the wheels others pop at 450-500

351 blocks seem to hold more.
I would feel safe at 500hp with a 302
Then 700hp on a 351 depending on what year of block
Then there is an A4 block thats a 302 with 4bolt mains

[Walter]

Turbong, are u an engine builder?

[TurboNG]

Turbong, are u an engine builder?

I used to build jet engines and rebuild deisles for the airforce, did that for about 10 years. Now i do MQ1 drones. I've built a few engines and i try and absorb all that i can from Mike. I also went through Sinclairs ASE program and high performance program. I built a few motors in that program and have built a few at home here. No i dont know it all and no im not the best, but i know the basics.

[Walter]

What did u think of SInclairs high perf program? Any fabrication or just engine stuff?

[TurboNG]

They have fab classes durring summer, not sure how it is now with Semesters though. Classes were good, self paced, I did 3 sets of heads in the cylrnder head class while others only did one set. You stay the whole time you can get alot done.