ALL THESE AUCTION CARS FROM MICHIGAN???

[redfirepearlgt]

Whats the story Dealers on this MASS influx of "off lease" used cars from the Detroit area of Michigan flooding the local used auto market? Fusions, Focus's, Regals, everything I look at with a carfax has come from Michigan and all from the Detroit area. Even many of the Japanese labels seem to be coming from up there when one looks at the Carfax.

So what is my beef with that? Detroit Streets due to the poor economy are like driving on cobble stone. This beats the piss out of a car even after two years. Second with a very high unemployment I doubt people are putting routine car maintenance at the top of their list of priorities. Third many of the cars are fleet loaners or MFGR lease cars which means they are likely driven like rentals and routine maintenance is again ignored. So why is the Tri State now the dumping grounds for these cars? Is there some auction lot in Detroit running a fire sale on them? Are dealers buying Fusion SEL's loaded off lease with 24K on them for 10K? I've looked a several 20-25k 2012 models and they are all beat to crap. Paint chips on the door edges, interiors that are filthy and stained, Tires worn and unrotated, accidents, gouged bumpers, torn lower fascias, and the list goes on.

Does any dealer employee have a clue what is causing this trend? As much as I hate to I am being forced to look for a good used car that is Honda, Nissan, or Mazda. Seems the only glimmer of buying a regionally traded or auctioned car requires me to look to the Japanese market. Aside from Regal's being assembled in Germany most other GM's are now being assembled in China. I'm being forced to consider buying a used Japanese label because at least some ofthem are local trades (at least not auction cars from Detroit) and many are assembling here in the US, and not China unlike GM and Cadillac...for now.

Some insight would be appreciated. Thanks.

[05yellowgt]

No idea, but try posting something up about it on Jalopnik.com. That site seems to be good and digging and finding answers.

[redfirepearlgt]

Thanks. Will do.

[cstreu1026]

The manufacturer cars are usually a year old and can be a good buy. The Caddy SRX we had was a former exectuvie lease/loaner type vehicle and no issues with it. The cars also tend to be heavily optioned as well.

[mustangjon]

Enterprise floods market with their rentals at same time and messes with values of certain common rental models. They dump them all same time

[redfirepearlgt]

The manufacturer cars are usually a year old and can be a good buy. The Caddy SRX we had was a former executive lease/loaner type vehicle and no issues with it. The cars also tend to be heavily optioned as well.

Your luck runs better than mine. No way I would put my wife in the seat of a corporate leased vehicle OR one driven on Detroit streets for 2-3 years. Ever drive up there? I have. Its a freaking maze of pot holes everywhere and has gotten only worse I am sure since my last business visit in 2011. Being a former field service tech, I know how company leased cars can be treated. especially by sales reps and managers. They are the worst at pressing that oil change reset button and driving another 6-8K on the same oil because they were late for an appointment somewhere.

[cstreu1026]

Bought ours with a bumper to bumper warranty to 100K as a certified pre-owned so I didn't care what they did to it but I had no issue with it what so ever. He'll the warranty even covered the turn signal bulbs. If you are really concerned about what the previous owner did buy new. Would you worry about buying a new car with 50 miles on it? I mean it could have close to 200 quarter mile passes on it after all.

[redfirepearlgt]

Bought ours with a bumper to bumper warranty to 100K as a certified pre-owned so I didn't care what they did to it but I had no issue with it what so ever. He'll the warranty even covered the turn signal bulbs. If you are really concerned about what the previous owner did buy new. Would you worry about buying a new car with 50 miles on it? I mean it could have close to 200 quarter mile passes on it after all.

SUPER! You are willing to risk more on doing so than I am. I am merely trying to find out why Cincinnati and the surrounding area seems to have turned into a dumping ground for Detroit cars. Wasn't that way just three or so years back. That is the long and short of it.

And yes you are right a 2004 Cobra one owner with 50 miles on it, having never been registered with a SRA upgrade would make me suspicious of it likely being used solely as a competition vehicle at a local drag strip, and I would not buy it. On the other hand a 2014 Fusion with 50 miles on it purchased locally in Cincinnati has likely not seen the drag strip or an SCCA track and would be a great purchase given it was within my price range as long as it did not have a salvage title.

[cstreu1026]

It's simple....they ship the cars where they can sell them. I doubt snow comes sell nearly as well in Alaska in January as they do in Florida in August. Cincinnati is a straight shot down 75. It's obvious cars sell here when we have one of the highest densities of Ford dealers anywhere in the country. Seriously if you are that concerned about some grand conspiracy concerning the dumping of junk cars from Detroit in southwest Ohio I really doubt you will ever find a used car you're happy with.

[redfirepearlgt]

It's simple....they ship the cars where they can sell them. I doubt snow comes sell nearly as well in Alaska in January as they do in Florida in August. Cincinnati is a straight shot down 75. It's obvious cars sell here when we have one of the highest densities of Ford dealers anywhere in the country. Seriously if you are that concerned about some grand conspiracy concerning the dumping of junk cars from Detroit in southwest Ohio I really doubt you will ever find a used car you're happy with.

Who said anything about a conspiracy? Its a simple observation over a period of 30-60 days of looking at cars. I'm looking for some insight not merely someone's personal opinion. Thank you though for chiming in. Please go find a brown paper bag and place it gently over your nose and mouth and slowly breath in and out. You are beginning to hyper ventilate over nothing. I am concerned about you. You seem to wish to turn everything into a international debate. Everything will be fine. You are going to be okay. Its not the end of the world. Its not about networking or opinions on guns or heaven forbid politics so please calm down. Take a Sominex and sleep well. You'll be fine.

[k062693w]

People now days rely too much on $hit like Carfax ...
Whatever happened to taking it to a mechanic ???

And remember a locally owned car with a clean Carfax could be an abused POS, But Carfax gives it's users that warm fuzzy feeling ... LOL

[cstreu1026]

Aaron is absolutely right...carfax is a marketing tool and nothing more. It's full of misinformation and errors. And you seem to be the one making a mountain out of a mile hill here. After all you're the one that said the tristate has become some sort of dumping ground for these vehicles. Obviously there is more of a market for the cars here and not there or dealers, brokers, etc. wouldn't be transporting them here. If you go and look at a car and it's a POS then it's a POS notated where it came from or what carfax says. An abused car from California is just as bad as an a used car from Michigan.

[redfirepearlgt]

People now days rely too much on $hit like Carfax ...
Whatever happened to taking it to a mechanic ???

And remember a locally owned car with a clean Carfax could be an abused POS, But Carfax gives it's users that warm fuzzy feeling ... LOL

You are absolutely right. Car fax does not give much reliability I agree. Case and point the 02 Mustang GT I bought. Was supposed to be unwrecked. But in the glove box with the rest of the original paperwork that came with the car when it was new was an invoice statement from a local body shop for $2200 dollars along with an insurance claim number on it. So finding that upon closing John Nolan went through the car with a fine toothed comb. And it turned out to be a good car ins spite of it.

I look at Carfax for where they were owned and what they were likely used for. I will not buy a car from Michigan. They are beat to heck and my shopping experience on the ones I initially considered in spite of them coming from Michigan was less than grand. They were beat to death inside and out in every case. I'm talking cars with 13K on them and less than 2 years old. So I concluded no more wasting time on cars out of Michigan. Thus the thread.

[k062693w]

And yet you felt the need to make a thread telling everyone you won't buy a car from Detroit ???

Must be lonely at the top ... I'm glad I'm middle rung !!!

Next people will be posting their wife's menstrual cycle and how they don't like it !!! LMAO

[cstreu1026]

I'm not sure how it shows up on carfax but what if the leases were held by FoMoCo credit? Would they show up as originating in Michigan?

[Gearhead]

Chad-
You mentioned a couple year old used Fusions for 20-25k.....couldn't you get into a new 2014 for just slightly more than that ? I'm sure you could get one at invoice pricing these days.....

Edit: I see you meant the mileage as 20-25k, disregard my post !!!

[redfirepearlgt]

Aaron is absolutely right...carfax is a marketing tool and nothing more. It's full of misinformation and errors. And you seem to be the one making a mountain out of a mile hill here. After all you're the one that said the tristate has become some sort of dumping ground for these vehicles. Obviously there is more of a market for the cars here and not there or dealers, brokers, etc. wouldn't be transporting them here. If you go and look at a car and it's a POS then it's a POS notated where it came from or what carfax says. An abused car from California is just as bad as an a used car from Michigan.

Just relax Cameron it was a question based on some findings I made. Its not a conspiracy. And its not a Mountain from a Mile Hill. Just an inquiry. Wow your wound up. Try decaf. See ya.

[k062693w]

Chad you seem to be the one wound up !!! Cam was just answering a question you asked ... If you don't like the answer, Don't ask the question ???

It seems simple to me ... If you don't want a car from Detroit then don't buy one !!! Easy Enough ???

But you felt the need to make a thread about your feelings ...

[redfirepearlgt]

I'm not sure how it shows up on carfax but what if the leases were held by FoMoCo credit? Would they show up as originating in Michigan?

They would still be licensed in Ohio as was the Ford Contour we leased 19 years ago right after we were married.

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Chad you seem to be the one wound up !!! Cam was just answering a question you asked ... If you don't like the answer, Don't ask the question ???

It seems simple to me ... If you don't want a car from Detroit then don't buy one !!! Easy Enough ???

But you felt the need to make a thread about your feelings ...

Frustrated after months of looking? yes. Calling it a conspiracy? No. Just seems that there are few cars staying in the area these days that come off lease or are traded in. Its been over three years since I looked to find a car for my wife. There seemed to be more local trade ins in the area then than these days.

[Gene]

It's not a conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Simply put, most cars that are sold in the Detroit metro area are leases. If you have Ford A-plan (or the Chrysler or GM equivalent), it generally makes more sense financially to lease a car than buy one. Low mileage used cars are usually either leases, ex-rental cars or repos. Those are the main reasons people get rid of one or two year old cars. Of those three choices, which one would you rather have?

[sean]

Chad. I get a lot of repeat customers and the trades are local in many cases. I have a new body fusion on my lot that's a local trade if I remember right. I'll check when I get there tomorrow.

[redfirepearlgt]

Chad. I get a lot of repeat customers and the trades are local in many cases. I have a new body fusion on my lot that's a local trade if I remember right. I'll check when I get there tomorrow.

Thanks Sean.

[sean]

I saw that you called. The family is having a family night..... No phones. Im sneaking on here real quick. Lol I'll call you as soon as I get a chance tomorrow. I have a 930 appt so as soon as I'm done with that I should be able to call.

[redfirepearlgt]

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