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Goldenpony
01-19-2016, 08:36 PM
Wow, did you hear Sara Palin's endorsement speech for Donald Trump? I think it was a big one.

cstreu1026
01-19-2016, 08:39 PM
She's the only one to rival his craziness.

Goldenpony
01-19-2016, 10:14 PM
The Tea Party LOVES Sarah. I think her endorsement will go a long way

cstreu1026
01-19-2016, 10:43 PM
It's a not starter for me. I wouldn't cast a vote for either of them.

Goldenpony
01-19-2016, 11:09 PM
If Hillary gets in the White House, we're finished. It would be , for all practical purposes a third term for Obama. I truly feel the only candidate that can beat her is Trump. We need a president with brains and balls, Obama and Hillary have neither. We need to get the train back on the tracks.

Blkcobra01
01-19-2016, 11:13 PM
If Hillary gets in the White House, we're finished. It would be , for all practical purposes a third term for Obama. I truly feel the only candidate that can beat her is Trump. We need a president with brains and balls, Obama and Hillary have neither. We need to get the train back on the tracks.

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Rick93coupe
01-20-2016, 12:03 AM
I saw that and although I think she's a bit batshit, we share some of the same values. A lot of the evangelical vote would go to Cruz but if Trump gets the nomination, that could help him. There is no perfect candidate, some people are fooling themselves. I have no issue with the country being run by a businessman, can you imagine for a second what it would be like under Sanders?

redfirepearlgt
01-20-2016, 06:38 AM
Sanders is a screwy squirrel. I'll take Trump personally because he is not an Ivy League lawyer turned politician. You are right and we agree, no such thing as a perfect candidate. But you can be assured if Hillary gets in she will try to take us the direction of Canada on gun control even though she may not succeed.

cstreu1026
01-20-2016, 07:07 AM
Trump is a megalomaniac and this country will be screwed if elected. You only need to look at his recent comments about making Apple build their products here. To say that is beyond the power of the Oval Office is an understatement to say the least.

2Fast4You
01-20-2016, 10:10 AM
Trump is our only best option with the few left in this, that is what we have to look at, the overall versus the few things.

redfirepearlgt
01-20-2016, 10:11 AM
So Cameron for president?

Goldenpony
01-20-2016, 11:52 AM
Ivanka Trump for first daughter!!!

cstreu1026
01-20-2016, 12:07 PM
He has no more respect for the constitution than President Obama or 99.9999% of the other politicians in Washington.

Goldenpony
01-20-2016, 12:40 PM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

04 Venom
01-20-2016, 01:30 PM
Trump is a megalomaniac and this country will be screwed if elected. You only need to look at his recent comments about making Apple build their products here. To say that is beyond the power of the Oval Office is an understatement to say the least.

Agreed, but I don't think we have to worry about him being elected.

Goldenpony
01-20-2016, 02:24 PM
That's what they said about Ronald Reagan

1baddlx
01-20-2016, 02:58 PM
That's what they said about Ronald Reagan

Regan sucked!I'll vote Democrat all day long,I'm a union worker, phuck Republicans I'll take food on the table before I worry about the other issues!

cstreu1026
01-20-2016, 03:03 PM
You gotta keep those union bosses fat and happy.

redfirepearlgt
01-20-2016, 03:20 PM
Regan sucked!I'll vote Democrat all day long,I'm a union worker, phuck Republicans I'll take food on the table before I worry about the other issues!

So if the union says so you vote for it? Nice. That's real outside the box thinking. Do what daddy union boss says. HEY! I'm union also by the way. My father was union. Most members of my family are or were union. But few of us will allow a union hall to dictate our political choices and listen to them. BTW less than 20% of the locals where I work are democrat though the union swings that way. The other 80% is libertarian, GOP, Moderate, or Conservative.

1baddlx
01-20-2016, 04:49 PM
Still voting Democrat as long as the union I work for endorses them,vote against Jeb bush because he supports right to work state,I do not want to make chump change versus what I make now!if you were die hard union ,you would vote for ppl who are for the union,anytime Democrats are in office I make money,when they arent,I starve ...alot of ppl who think they are Republican don't make enough money to call themselves Republican,that's a fact jack!Democrat all the way black or white or woman...

Yellow98Cobra
01-20-2016, 06:31 PM
Democrats.... I gonna vote for that guy he will give me a phone, insurance, he will make me rich. I don't care if he fucks up the country. It is all about me. I am not sure why my business closed. I got paid top dollar and the company can't afford to pay us. Why are they shutting down? It is ok the government will bail them out. Unions had their place back in the day anymore they are to protect the lazy....

04 Venom
01-20-2016, 06:41 PM
That's what they said about Ronald Reagan

Reagan wouldn't be "conservative" enough to win the Republican nomination now. He signed a bill granting 3 million aliens a path to citizenship. Signed a law banning the private ownership of automatic weapons and supported limiting assault weapons and supported the Brady bill. Imagine that.

1baddlx
01-20-2016, 07:03 PM
Democrats.... I gonna vote for that guy he will give me a phone, insurance, he will make me rich. I don't care if he fucks up the country. It is all about me. I am not sure why my business closed. I got paid top dollar and the company can't afford to pay us. Why are they shutting down? It is ok the government will bail them out. Unions had their place back in the day anymore they are to protect the lazy....

Come out a day with me putting 400 degree asphalt down all day in the hott sun,better yet honk and wave while in your AC car cruising down the highway...no laziness here ..

Yellow98Cobra
01-20-2016, 07:28 PM
Come out a day with me putting 400 degree asphalt down all day in the hott sun,better yet honk and wave while in your AC car cruising down the highway...no laziness here ..

Anytime, would be just like working on the farm. Can't scare me with work.

Goldenpony
01-20-2016, 07:30 PM
So you like Obama Care, Gun Grabbers and a gutted military-and hate the constitution? Household incomes have DROPPED somewhere between 8% and 12% under Obama and a LOT of those jobs he brags about creating are part time. How many of those jobs are union jobs?

04 Venom
01-20-2016, 07:52 PM
It used to be that you could disagree with someone's political views without being insulting, calling them stupid or not caring about the country. When did that become acceptable?

redfirepearlgt
01-20-2016, 08:11 PM
1BADLX - Wow! Think for yourself man. I've been laid off twice in my life. Once under Clinton and once under Bush. Unions have done some good things over the years. Wages to some degree, but safety in the work place as much as anything, especially in recent years. But they aren't all good either. Unions have also created habitual lazy work ethic as well. People who hide behind the union to keep their jobs. People who only are capable (barely) of clocking in on time and nothing more. Case and point for a reason why the public has such lowered views of unions these days? GM NORWOOD. Where I currently work, I've seen the union protect a dirt bag in my shop for being drunk on the clock, another worker stinks to the point you can't stand within 10 feet of him by Wednesday morning. He proudly bathes only once a week and he thinks its funny. He's been warned by the company to maintain oral hygiene. Even sent home for stinking. Yet the union protects him and he keeps his job and he is also a slacker who does nothing but clocks in on time.

Want to vote dem go for it. But do so because you concluded they best represent you, not simply because some fat ass, cigar smoking, back slapping, glad handing, elected union official told you to.

1baddlx
01-20-2016, 08:31 PM
John Kerry maybe?

redfirepearlgt
01-20-2016, 09:44 PM
Reagan wouldn't be "conservative" enough to win the Republican nomination now. He signed a bill granting 3 million aliens a path to citizenship. Signed a law banning the private ownership of automatic weapons and supported limiting assault weapons and supported the Brady bill. Imagine that.

Just goes to prove not even Ronny was perfect. No such thing as a perfect politician (breathing that is LOL). The Mazzoli/Simpson act did give amnesty to 3 million illegals roughly that had entered the country prior to 1982 that fit a specific criteria, BUT it also did the following:

1 required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
2 made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants knowingly.
3 legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.

None of which was a prior requirement of employers. This wasn't merely some amnesty flood gate like that which has been dictated of late by dems purely seeking votes IMO. More good than bad came of that bill. 3million is a far cry less than what has been allowed during this administration.

Brady bill and the auto weapons bill signings were not higher note moments in the admin no doubt.

But on the flip, while I never liked the man or his politics, Bill Clinton did sign welfare reform. So from a liberal's perspective it could be said that Bill Clinton would not be liberal or progressive enough to satisfy the democratic ticket of today either.

Goldenpony
01-21-2016, 12:10 AM
When I mentioned Reagan I wasn't implying he was a super conservative, just that when he ran people said he was un-electable, much like they say about Trump. Yes, I know Reagan was a union head, he was once a democrat, was pro-choice and a lot of other things. But, remember Ronald Reagan rebuilt the military, put people back to work, got the economy back on the right track and bankrupted the Soviet Union. Under Reagan our allies respected us, and our enemies feared us. We need some of that today. Democrats have bankrupted us, and made us soft and weak. The idea of another democratic president scares me to death.
As far as who is what, John Kennedy would be a Republican today.

redfirepearlgt
01-21-2016, 06:35 AM
... Under Reagan our allies respected us, and our enemies feared us. We need some of that today. Democrats have bankrupted us, and made us soft and weak. The idea of another democratic president scares me to death...

Amen brother and pass the peas. :bigthumb

CNTLOSE
01-21-2016, 11:00 AM
I worked for a union, my father, and my grandparents also worked for a union. Once we all retired we were bent over and screwed by said unions...both public and government unions. I watched my grandparents lose everything they were promised and worked for, get dealt away so "current" members could be better off. I watched my parents insurance go from fully paid to them paying thousands a year for it. Sorry, but if you are promised something by your union, you work for them for 30 years, they should not send you up the creek once you retire. I have to admit I have always been a strong union believer, until my union left me high and dry when it came to retirement. I went six months without pay until my retirement was approved. The union could care less all they wanted was their monthly dues. When it came to the choice of food or union, sorry there is no choice. So after being a 17 year member I was dropped like a sack of potatoes a month before I retired. Which was nice for them because it saved them some coin.

As much as I have always hated the idea of "Right to Work", I think if the unions had to start fighting to keep members they might actually keep their promises. Because why would you stay in a union knowing that once you retired everything you were promised will be stripped away for the new blood. As far as voting for a socialist or a criminal...no thanks. Trump has my vote because unlike everyone else, he owes no one.

1baddlx
01-21-2016, 12:24 PM
I worked for a union, my father, and my grandparents also worked for a union. Once we all retired we were bent over and screwed by said unions...both public and government unions. I watched my grandparents lose everything they were promised and worked for, get dealt away so "current" members could be better off. I watched my parents insurance go from fully paid to them paying thousands a year for it. Sorry, but if you are promised something by your union, you work for them for 30 years, they should not send you up the creek once you retire. I have to admit I have always been a strong union believer, until my union left me high and dry when it came to retirement. I went six months without pay until my retirement was approved. The union could care less all they wanted was their monthly dues. When it came to the choice of food or union, sorry there is no choice. So after being a 17 year member I was dropped like a sack of potatoes a month before I retired. Which was nice for them because it saved them some coin.

As much as I have always hated the idea of "Right to Work", I think if the unions had to start fighting to keep members they might actually keep their promises. Because why would you stay in a union knowing that once you retired everything you were promised will be stripped away for the new blood. As far as voting for a socialist or a criminal...no thanks. Trump has my vote because unlike everyone else, he owes no one.

Which local were you in?

CNTLOSE
01-21-2016, 06:55 PM
Which local were you in?

OPBA and my and grandparents worked at Armco / AK Steel. Mine was for public service and it is "state wide" union.

1baddlx
01-21-2016, 10:27 PM
OPBA and my and grandparents worked at Armco / AK Steel. Mine was for public service and it is "state wide" union.
That's a shame,I'm with the laborers and hopefully mine will turn out ok

CNTLOSE
01-22-2016, 04:55 AM
That's a shame,I'm with the laborers and hopefully mine will turn out ok

I am sure they are all a little different. But you can almost bet those that are retired (and not longer paying dues) will be the first sacrificed to keep the current paying members happy.

vertigo
01-27-2016, 03:40 PM
Let me preface by saying all sides here have valid points, and like others have mentioned, there is no perfect candidate. It's probably fair to say that any American capable of free thought has at least one opposing view to every single candidate, so no one running is a "perfect fit" for every single voter, which is one of the things that make our country great.
I grew up a Southern Democrat, which by current standards is a republican. My personal views more align with Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, but I will vote away from the democratic side, as I've decided I like our military too much. In 1998 I reported to my first boat and maintenance money was scarce. Removing rust from a steel submarine was "beautification" not safety, so each boat in the fleet ran the risk of not having a surface/dive ratio of 1:1. Bush took office, and all of a sudden we were much better equipped to defend ourselves and our civilian populace.
Like Chad said, vote with your heart, if you're capable of fogging a mirror and forming a thought that is completely your own.

redfirepearlgt
01-27-2016, 04:32 PM
^^^ Well said sailor. If I was a no legged parrot I would have just fallen off my perch...

vertigo
01-27-2016, 05:31 PM
^^^ Well said sailor. If I was a no legged parrot I would have just fallen off my perch...

Lol I guess breathing recycled farts does NOT kill brain cells, it only creates global climate change, which as everyone knows is the root cause of terrorism.

redfirepearlgt
01-27-2016, 06:48 PM
Maybe its just the El Nino effect...:rolleyes:

vertigo
01-28-2016, 08:13 AM
In case you all missed it, that was the math according to the Democratic Party. I'm sorry but I can't vote for a group of people who are so delusional that they make shit like that up, and expect us to believe it. Which, another 10 years of the common core, standardized test driven education system and our youth will believe anything the government tells us.

Goldenpony
02-06-2016, 02:48 PM
Still backing the Trumpster!

1baddlx
02-06-2016, 03:18 PM
Hillary is going to win

Goldenpony
02-06-2016, 06:23 PM
I hope to God you're wrong. If so, it's over.

draggin50
02-06-2016, 07:09 PM
Hell no she wont!!! Jason you bumped your head!!

1baddlx
02-06-2016, 07:50 PM
Hell no she wont!!! Jason you bumped your head!!that's what they said about a black president too,need I say more

cstreu1026
02-06-2016, 10:52 PM
Trump is a fascist in the making.

redfirepearlgt
02-06-2016, 11:27 PM
Cameron for Pope...I mean president.

draggin50
02-06-2016, 11:36 PM
that's what they said about a black president too,need I say more

I don't think of this as being about black or a woman. Its the integrity, Benghazi, email scandal, and her other half who was already impeached. Let alone everything else she has done.

cstreu1026
02-06-2016, 11:36 PM
Being agnostic that probably wouldn't go over well.

2Fast4You
02-07-2016, 12:19 AM
Hillary is going to win

That is absolutely stupid, she should be imprisoned already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Rick93coupe
02-07-2016, 12:21 AM
That is absolutely stupid, she should be imprisoned already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's much too kind. That bitch needs the chair.

draggin50
02-07-2016, 12:54 AM
Im with Rick!!

redfirepearlgt
02-07-2016, 08:13 AM
Being agnostic that probably wouldn't go over well.

That was pretty obvious. See you got religion too.

redfirepearlgt
02-07-2016, 08:22 AM
Hillary is going to win

Won't happen IMO but if it does prepare to rename the country "Southern Canada", learn to speak french, give up freedom of speech, and learn to defend your property with rocks.

Goldenpony
02-07-2016, 03:52 PM
No, Obama and maybe even Sanders are not only socialists but also possible fascists. Hillary, she's just a gangster and a criminal.

redfirepearlgt
02-07-2016, 05:35 PM
No, Obama and maybe even Sanders are not only socialists but also possible fascists. Hillary, she's just a gangster and a criminal.

HEY! Quit profiling! :rolleyes:

Goldenpony
02-07-2016, 11:15 PM
HEY! Quit profiling! :rolleyes:

LOL!

redfirepearlgt
02-07-2016, 11:24 PM
Lets have a beer summit!

cstreu1026
02-09-2016, 08:57 PM
If you're looking for a different take on things...

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jason-stapleton-program/id840193021?mt=2&i=358507673

Goldenpony
02-10-2016, 01:07 AM
The Donald kicked ass in NH. On to South Carolina.

1baddlx
02-11-2016, 07:10 AM
If hillary did win,Bill could be vice president then we impeach her ,then we're guaranteed to have jobs for the next 2 terms..I like the sound of that!go hillary

redfirepearlgt
02-11-2016, 08:53 AM
Bill's to busy getting laid in Harlem these days. He's living a rock star's dream. He's doesn't need the White House to get booty any more. He's only being seen with Hillary to keep up his profile so women still think he is still a rung on the ladder to political success.

Goldenpony
02-11-2016, 02:11 PM
XXX

Goldenpony
02-11-2016, 02:13 PM
If hillary did win,Bill could be vice president then we impeach her ,then we're guaranteed to have jobs for the next 2 terms..I like the sound of that!go hillary

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

1baddlx
02-11-2016, 03:24 PM
To be or not to be that is the question. ..

draggin50
02-12-2016, 01:06 AM
Not to be is the answer!

Rick93coupe
02-12-2016, 07:37 PM
Hillary for prison'dent. That bitch is so corrupt it's not even funny. I can understand a liberal voting for Bernie, atleast he's not a liar, he honestly believes the country would be run better as a socialist nation. The vast majority know that's borderline retardation but atleast he's sincere.

Goldenpony
02-12-2016, 07:55 PM
Yea, he is sincere, but also dead wrong, as is Obama. The liberal mindset is, socialism has failed everywhere simply because the wrong people were running it. Maggie Thatcher said it best-"The trouble with socialism is that you run out of other peoples money to spend".

redfirepearlgt
02-12-2016, 08:05 PM
Just heard a woman on the news talking about Slick Willy's local presentation in Clifton today endorsing his "wife". "I like that he's standin' by his woman's side", states the attendee after the event. I had to laugh. STANDING BY HIS WOMAN?! This interviewee's perspective of a committed relationship must be defined as a one-night-stand who stays for breakfast.

Goldenpony
02-13-2016, 02:21 PM
President Trump. Has a good ring to it. Trump's wife would be the first hot First Lady since Jackie Kennedy.

draggin50
02-13-2016, 03:02 PM
Who is gonna be his VP? Ive heard Cruz and Carson are both potentials as well as Palin. Id rather see Trump/Cruz myself.

Goldenpony
02-13-2016, 03:18 PM
My choice would be Cruz.

redfirepearlgt
02-13-2016, 05:47 PM
President Trump. Has a good ring to it. Trump's wife would be the first hot First Lady since Jackie Kennedy.

HEY!! Laura Bush was no slacker!

redfirepearlgt
02-13-2016, 05:52 PM
Who is gonna be his VP? Ive heard Cruz and Carson are both potentials as well as Palin. Id rather see Trump/Cruz myself.

Carson or Fiorina IMO. VP and COS either way works for me.

Goldenpony
02-13-2016, 06:45 PM
HEY!! Laura Bush was no slacker!

She was OK, but not in the same league as Jackie or Melania

k062693w
02-13-2016, 07:45 PM
This Girl describes HilldaBeast to a tee ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oI08BKgT8MI&time_continue=374

- - - Updated - - -


HEY!! Laura Bush was no slacker!

Ewwwww !!! I just threw up a little ...

redfirepearlgt
02-13-2016, 08:13 PM
^^^ Vagina power? Clinton Diarrhea? Wish your mother would have swallowed? WOW! That is one pissed off young lady. I think I am in love.

k062693w
02-13-2016, 08:20 PM
^^^ Vagina power? Clinton Diarrhea? Wish your mother would have swallowed? WOW! That is one pissed off young lady. I think I am in love.

She Definitely Nailed It ... And is Easy on the Eyes ...

redfirepearlgt
02-13-2016, 09:55 PM
She had eyes? LOL!!! Oh yes easy on the eyes I agree. But she could have looked like Phyllis Diller and I'd found her a turn on simply by her statement.

Rick93coupe
02-14-2016, 01:23 AM
Who is gonna be his VP? Ive heard Cruz and Carson are both potentials as well as Palin. Id rather see Trump/Cruz myself.

I was initially hoping for a Cruz / Trump team but after tonight, I think it might be hard to walk back Trump calling him a Liar, "maybe even worse than Jeb", lol.

draggin50
02-14-2016, 02:47 AM
Yeah that was a very bad show he put on tonight. You never know though, they may kiss and make up.

Rick93coupe
02-14-2016, 03:00 AM
I just feel like it would be hard to say, "I think this guy is a the biggest liar, I'd like to have him as my vice president". Please vote for the biggest liar and I, lol.

draggin50
02-14-2016, 03:50 AM
Yeah heard that several times tonight!

04 Venom
02-14-2016, 12:39 PM
With the exception of Kasich, they all seemed to be trying to prove they are not capable of being president. I thought their behavior was disgraceful.

1baddlx
02-14-2016, 04:12 PM
Vote NO to ohio being a right to work state!

Goldenpony
02-14-2016, 04:55 PM
Vote NO to ohio being a right to work state!

Why shouldn't you have a right to work?

draggin50
02-14-2016, 05:13 PM
Im a fan of the right to work state. Ive worked union before and all it does is keep some of the lazy ass people in a job that really shouldn't be. Now in management, I would hate to have to deal with these people that cant do their job, therefore, if they don't do their job, I don't need them and they are gone.

Its about like participation trophys for lazy people. Everyone gets to have a job even if they cant do theirs.

k062693w
02-14-2016, 06:07 PM
Why shouldn't you have a right to work?


Im a fan of the right to work state. Ive worked union before and all it does is keep some of the lazy ass people in a job that really shouldn't be. Now in management, I would hate to have to deal with these people that cant do their job, therefore, if they don't do their job, I don't need them and they are gone.

Its about like participation trophys for lazy people. Everyone gets to have a job even if they cant do theirs.

Yep !!!

Rick93coupe
02-14-2016, 06:13 PM
I could tell you story after story of lazy asses the union protected, while good hard working employees were laid off over low seniority. Or the lazy asses at GM that started fights with the supervisors so they could go to the union office, play cards and fuck the rest of us over picking up their slack.

draggin50
02-14-2016, 06:34 PM
I could tell you story after story of lazy asses the union protected, while good hard working employees were laid off over low seniority. Or the lazy asses at GM that started fights with the supervisors so they could go to the union office, play cards and fuck the rest of us over picking up their slack.

Exactly! Seen it several times myself.

1baddlx
02-14-2016, 07:46 PM
Would you want to make 11 dollars a hour?not me boys ,you can sit here and dog unions all u want,bottom line is ..I know what reagan,and the 2 bush's did for us,if it weren't for unions,there would be no prevailing wages etc.you all worry about guns being taken away,when you can't afford ammo what good are they? I'm not a lazy ass union worker..it will affect everyone just like it has in other states..as I have challenged before I work heavy highway as a laborer..I know some guys who goto work and have all kinds of time to play on their phones...and getting paid..just my opinion

CNTLOSE
02-14-2016, 09:02 PM
I use to be against Right to Work. But after my parents, grandparents, and I have been screwed over by unions I am kinda in favor of it now. My thoughts if the unions have to fight to keep members to stay in existence, they might actually do and keep their promises. The unions are their worst enemy.

04 Venom
02-14-2016, 10:20 PM
I was a union member for 17 years and dealt, including negotiation of contracts, with unions as a manager for another 19 years. The accounts described above sound apocryphal and repeated as the truth. In my experience, lazy or bad employees get fired whether they have a union or not.

Only 6% of private sector employees are unionized, yet everyone seems to hear of unions protecting lazy employees. More myth than reality.

The reason I think right-to-work laws are unfair is that a union has the same fiduciary duty to represent non-members as members under the National Labor Relations Act. If a non-member is fired in violation of the terms of a contract, the union is required to represent them, even if it means spending money on arbitration. Thus, they get benefits they are not paying for.

Rick93coupe
02-14-2016, 10:25 PM
Everything I said is fact.

04 Venom
02-14-2016, 10:45 PM
Everything I said is fact.

Same here.

CNTLOSE
02-15-2016, 12:43 AM
That is why I said unions will have to do their jobs and keep their word. If they do this the employees will want a strong union and will be more likely to join. When you have unions that dump their members when in need, cut their benefits after retiring, screwing over the widows, etc... you are not going to get anyone to join.

04 Venom
02-15-2016, 01:12 AM
When you have unions that dump their members when in need, cut their benefits after retiring, screwing over the widows, etc... you are not going to get anyone to join.

I think you will find that it is not the unions that cut retirement benefits. More likely, the company goes to bankruptcy court and seeks to have its union contracts and retirement plans voided or modified. The unions will oppose the action, but it is solely in the bankruptcy judge's discretion as to what is done with the pension plan. You may recall that the city of Cincinnati decided to increase charges for retirees' medical benefits; the union filed suit to oppose the change and lost.

In other situations, the company simply goes out of business and dumps its retirement obligations on the PBGC (meaning the taxpayers).

Unions cutting retiree benefits because they want to is more myth than reality.

Rick93coupe
02-15-2016, 02:48 AM
I was a union member for 17 years and dealt, including negotiation of contracts, with unions as a manager for another 19 years. The accounts described above sound apocryphal and repeated as the truth. In my experience, lazy or bad employees get fired whether they have a union or not.

Only 6% of private sector employees are unionized, yet everyone seems to hear of unions protecting lazy employees. More myth than reality.

The reason I think right-to-work laws are unfair is that a union has the same fiduciary duty to represent non-members as members under the National Labor Relations Act. If a non-member is fired in violation of the terms of a contract, the union is required to represent them, even if it means spending money on arbitration. Thus, they get benefits they are not paying for.


Same here.


Except you tried to marginalize what I said. My 15+ years of union experience doesn't fit into your "mostly myth" perception.

Blkcobra01
02-15-2016, 10:27 AM
Im a fan of the right to work state. Ive worked union before and all it does is keep some of the lazy ass people in a job that really shouldn't be. Now in management, I would hate to have to deal with these people that cant do their job, therefore, if they don't do their job, I don't need them and they are gone.

Its about like participation trophys for lazy people. Everyone gets to have a job even if they cant do theirs.

This!


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CNTLOSE
02-15-2016, 05:20 PM
I think you will find that it is not the unions that cut retirement benefits. More likely, the company goes to bankruptcy court and seeks to have its union contracts and retirement plans voided or modified. The unions will oppose the action, but it is solely in the bankruptcy judge's discretion as to what is done with the pension plan. You may recall that the city of Cincinnati decided to increase charges for retirees' medical benefits; the union filed suit to oppose the change and lost.

In other situations, the company simply goes out of business and dumps its retirement obligations on the PBGC (meaning the taxpayers).

Unions cutting retiree benefits because they want to is more myth than reality.

I agree sometimes that is the case. But my family has also experience them being sent up the creek so current members could get better raises or better benefits. This is what happens when older members have better benefits than new hires (2 tier contracts). Eventually the new hires end up running the union and the first thing they are willing to sacrifice is benefits the older members have that they do not.

04 Venom
02-15-2016, 05:52 PM
I agree sometimes that is the case. But my family has also experience them being sent up the creek so current members could get better raises or better benefits. This is what happens when older members have better benefits than new hires (2 tier contracts). Eventually the new hires end up running the union and the first thing they are willing to sacrifice is benefits the older members have that they do not.

I understand your point, but you're leaving out several important factors. Pension plans are becoming extinct as employers are moving to 401(K) plans.

For the few remaining pension plans, either defined benefit or defined contribution, they are either employer sponsored or joint benefit trusts under the 302(c)(5) of the Labor Management Relations Act. In the case of the employer sponsored plan, any change must be agreed to by the employer and is subject to ERISA guidelines to designed to protect the integrity of the plan and its beneficiaries. The union does NOT have the power to change benefits unilaterally. In the case of the joint benefit trust, the plan's trustees have a fiduciary duty to the beneficiaries, not the employers or unions involved.

k062693w
02-15-2016, 06:25 PM
Unions at Work ...

Lawsuit: Union thugs storm church construction site, break man’s face in mob-like beat down
February 14, 2016
By Connor D. Wolf

A lawsuit filed Friday accuses Indiana-based union officials of allegedly storming a church-owned construction site to brutally assault nonunion construction workers.

Iron Workers Local 395 officials were adamantly opposed to Dyer Baptist Church using nonunion construction workers. Local 395 Business Agent Thomas Williamson Sr. demanded the project be turned over to his union, but the onsite workers and the church pastor refused. D5 Iron Works President Richard Lindner allegedly told Williamson on numerous occasions that he was trespassing and he should leave. After several failed attempts, the lawsuit alleges, Williamson arrived with some associates Jan. 7 and physically attacked the nonunion workers.

“Men associated with Local 395 appeared at the job site,” the lawsuit, which was obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation, stated. “After exiting the respective vehicles, the Local 395 Assault Team rushed the job site.”



Lindner and his colleague Scott Kudingo were among those assaulted. Williamson’s adult son and ten other colleagues joined him during the alleged incident. Kudingo suffered numerous injuries. His face was fractured and had to have his jaw wired shut. The attackers, according to the lawsuit, shouted that the assault was in relation for the union not getting the project.

“Local 395 Assault Team grabbed Plaintiff Kudingo and threw him to the ground whereupon they beat Plaintiff Kudingo by clubbing, kicking and punching Plaintiff Kudingo in the face, arms, back and body,” the lawsuit continued. “The beating was violent in that upon information and belief the Local 395 Assault Team wore Steel Toe Boots during the attack.”

Kudingo begged the attackers to stop but they refused. Lindner and Joe Weil, yet another colleague, tried to intervene, but the union officials turned on them too. Weil was allegedly beaten with wooden boards during the attack, the lawsuit says, as well literally getting stomped.

“Weil suffered injuries to his person, including but not limited to having a boot shaped welt mark on his back,” the lawsuit added. “They returned to their vehicles, including the two (2) vehicles owned by Defendant Local 395 and left.”

The lawsuit is seeking $3,000,000 for the physical and emotional damage dealt during the attack, plus attorney fees. The Center on National Labor Policy is helping the alleged attack victims in their legal challenge.

Local 395 did not respond to TheDCNF’s request for comment.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/02/...at-down-305802

04 Venom
02-15-2016, 07:23 PM
Unions at Work ...

Lawsuit: Union thugs storm church construction site, break man’s face in mob-like beat down
February 14, 2016
By Connor D. Wolf

A lawsuit filed Friday accuses Indiana-based union officials of allegedly storming a church-owned construction site to brutally assault nonunion construction workers.

Iron Workers Local 395 officials were adamantly opposed to Dyer Baptist Church using nonunion construction workers. Local 395 Business Agent Thomas Williamson Sr. demanded the project be turned over to his union, but the onsite workers and the church pastor refused. D5 Iron Works President Richard Lindner allegedly told Williamson on numerous occasions that he was trespassing and he should leave. After several failed attempts, the lawsuit alleges, Williamson arrived with some associates Jan. 7 and physically attacked the nonunion workers.

“Men associated with Local 395 appeared at the job site,” the lawsuit, which was obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation, stated. “After exiting the respective vehicles, the Local 395 Assault Team rushed the job site.”



Lindner and his colleague Scott Kudingo were among those assaulted. Williamson’s adult son and ten other colleagues joined him during the alleged incident. Kudingo suffered numerous injuries. His face was fractured and had to have his jaw wired shut. The attackers, according to the lawsuit, shouted that the assault was in relation for the union not getting the project.

“Local 395 Assault Team grabbed Plaintiff Kudingo and threw him to the ground whereupon they beat Plaintiff Kudingo by clubbing, kicking and punching Plaintiff Kudingo in the face, arms, back and body,” the lawsuit continued. “The beating was violent in that upon information and belief the Local 395 Assault Team wore Steel Toe Boots during the attack.”

Kudingo begged the attackers to stop but they refused. Lindner and Joe Weil, yet another colleague, tried to intervene, but the union officials turned on them too. Weil was allegedly beaten with wooden boards during the attack, the lawsuit says, as well literally getting stomped.

“Weil suffered injuries to his person, including but not limited to having a boot shaped welt mark on his back,” the lawsuit added. “They returned to their vehicles, including the two (2) vehicles owned by Defendant Local 395 and left.”

The lawsuit is seeking $3,000,000 for the physical and emotional damage dealt during the attack, plus attorney fees. The Center on National Labor Policy is helping the alleged attack victims in their legal challenge.

Local 395 did not respond to TheDCNF’s request for comment.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/02/...at-down-305802

Using the actions of a few assholes to attack the rights of a much larger group? Hmmmm........where have I heard this before................oh, yeah some asshole uses a gun to kill multiple victims and the rights of all gun owners should be restricted.

k062693w
02-15-2016, 07:59 PM
Using the actions of a few assholes to attack the rights of a much larger group? Hmmmm........where have I heard this before................oh, yeah some asshole uses a gun to kill multiple victims and the rights of all gun owners should be restricted.

Not the first time Unions have done this, And have been doing it for Years ...
But I understand you wanting to stand up for a group that put food on your table ...

Goldenpony
02-21-2016, 01:18 AM
Ta Da, the Donald kicks a$$ again.

1baddlx
02-21-2016, 06:48 AM
Hillary did well also..go trump

Goldenpony
02-21-2016, 12:17 PM
Yea, Hillary won too, but by the slimmest of margins.

Goldenpony
02-24-2016, 02:45 PM
Nevada-Woomp, there it is!

1baddlx
02-25-2016, 08:06 AM
Mitt Romney takeover

Goldenpony
02-25-2016, 01:35 PM
Mitt Romney: LOSER!

1baddlx
02-25-2016, 02:07 PM
Mitt Romney: LOSER!

He could pull it off

Goldenpony
02-25-2016, 02:53 PM
Romney had his shot, and he blew it

Goldenpony
02-26-2016, 02:22 PM
The Trumpster picked up a big endorsement today-Chris Christy.

cstreu1026
02-26-2016, 09:06 PM
You can say that again.

Goldenpony
02-26-2016, 09:12 PM
I'm sorry, but I thought Rubio was just plain obnoxious last night.

cstreu1026
02-26-2016, 09:37 PM
No need to watch yet another debate. It's been the same for the last 20. War war war death bomb the brown people build a wall Murica rah rah rah

04 Venom
02-27-2016, 08:11 PM
I'm sorry, but I thought Rubio was just plain obnoxious last night.

Rubio, Cruz and Trump were all embarrassing. This was a new low for political debates and will harm the Republican chances during the general election.

Goldenpony
02-28-2016, 07:56 PM
I hope the Donald does well on Tuesday. I think Cruz is a snake in the grass, and Rubio is a spoiled brat. I think Hillary would chew Rubio up and spit him out. I'd sure rather see Trump dealing with Putin rather than Rubio. We'll see how it goes.

cstreu1026
02-28-2016, 08:51 PM
I'm pretty sure the former Mexican president has already proved how world leaders will deal with Trump.

Goldenpony
02-28-2016, 11:56 PM
I think the first thing President Trump would do to Mexico is cut their foreign aid off, and forbid Americans to visit Mexico and spend money there. I'm sure this would get their attention.

cstreu1026
02-29-2016, 02:25 PM
And what about all the stuff that is manufactured in Mexico for sale here? There is a sizable portion of the automotive market that would not be available here.

1baddlx
02-29-2016, 04:10 PM
And what about all the stuff that is manufactured in Mexico for sale here? There is a sizable portion of the automotive market that would not be available here.
^^^^^^
Your right,there's a lot off ppl that focus on 1 issue only,the big picture needs to be considered when voting

Goldenpony
02-29-2016, 04:18 PM
True, but illegal immigration is a really big deal. We can't keep supporting our poor people and all the poor Mexicans. We keep giving money for illegals and we can't give our military what they need.

Rick93coupe
02-29-2016, 04:51 PM
I just heard they are pushing for voter rights for illegals. The fix is in.

k062693w
02-29-2016, 05:00 PM
I just heard they are pushing for voter rights for illegals. The fix is in.

Yep ... Time for HilldaBeast to pull out all the Stops to try and get her Nasty Skanky Ass Elected ...

I swear I'm half tempted to move to another country if she gets elected ...

04 Venom
02-29-2016, 07:07 PM
I just heard they are pushing for voter rights for illegals. The fix is in.

You really believe that? I have a 74 Pinto that I would like to sell you.

04 Venom
02-29-2016, 07:12 PM
True, but illegal immigration is a really big deal. We can't keep supporting our poor people and all the poor Mexicans. We keep giving money for illegals and we can't give our military what they need.

If you really want to stop illegal immigration, prosecute the businesses that hire them. American businesses profit from illegal workers.

Goldenpony
02-29-2016, 07:50 PM
^We're absolutely on the same page here. We should make the penalty so severe for hiring illegals that no one will. Dry up the jobs and they will go home.

cstreu1026
02-29-2016, 08:01 PM
Not to mention the American consumer. What do you think happens when we replace illegals with a $15 an hour minimum wage?

cstreu1026
02-29-2016, 08:02 PM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/cstreu1026/Cartoons%20And%20Such/1E9D892A-9AA3-456A-B013-C09B001D9BC1_zpskjluy4yf.jpg (http://s206.photobucket.com/user/cstreu1026/media/Cartoons%20And%20Such/1E9D892A-9AA3-456A-B013-C09B001D9BC1_zpskjluy4yf.jpg.html)

k062693w
02-29-2016, 08:43 PM
Trump just got Endorsement from Awesome Bill from Dawsonville, So it's as Good as I over !!! :lol:

firestang70
02-29-2016, 10:24 PM
Trump is built for a presidential run in today's environment. He's loud, he screams what a lot of people want to hear, brings lots of shock value. Unfortunately there are a quite a few people that will believe a meme on fb than researching the actual truth. My problem with him is I don't see any plans just a lot of hot air. How will these big ideas become action?

1baddlx
02-29-2016, 10:49 PM
They all make promises they can't keep...

cstreu1026
02-29-2016, 10:55 PM
Trump can't even stay consistent with how high the wall he's going to make Mexico build is going to be.

04 Venom
03-01-2016, 12:15 AM
They all make promises they can't keep...

Trumps claims are far beyond the typical political puffery. He is on the verge of doing what the Democrats could never do--tear apart the Republican party. Not only will he lose against Clinton, he will insure that the Republicans lose the Senate (24 of 34 Senate seats up for re-election are Republican held seats). Mitch McConnell has already stated that if Trump is the nominee, Senate Republicans plan to run negative ads against Trump to try and save a Republican majority.

Who knew Trump was the Democrats secret weapon.

Goldenpony
03-01-2016, 11:59 PM
Donald marches on.

1baddlx
03-04-2016, 07:30 AM
Sold please delete

draggin50
03-04-2016, 11:34 AM
Buyer backed out, Back up for sale!

1baddlx
03-04-2016, 12:27 PM
Buyer backed out, Back up for sale!

Take fitty dollas?

draggin50
03-04-2016, 01:38 PM
Sold again!!!

redfirepearlgt
03-04-2016, 02:14 PM
Can I get that in RED??????

k062693w
03-04-2016, 11:44 PM
Pics Please !!!

draggin50
03-05-2016, 12:58 AM
Pictures sent to those that matter!!!

- - - Updated - - -

You can have any color you want as long as its black!

Goldenpony
03-08-2016, 10:07 PM
Looks like another big night for the Trumpster!

1baddlx
03-08-2016, 10:12 PM
Looks like another big night for the Trumpster!thought we sold him to the Democrats? What happened brian?

draggin50
03-08-2016, 10:34 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Either way we are screwed. The government needs a complete overhaul. Im not a fan of Trump but he says more of what I want to hear than anyone else.

1baddlx
03-08-2016, 11:24 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Either way we are screwed. The government needs a complete overhaul. Im not a fan of Trump but he says more of what I want to hear than anyone else.

He's got ppl swearing to vote for him,they are comparing him to hitler

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 12:42 AM
He's got ppl swearing to vote for him,they are comparing him to hitler

He will do to the Republican party what Hitler did to Germany.

redfirepearlgt
03-09-2016, 06:42 AM
^^^...So you are saying Trump will try to create a super human race, create concentration camps and attempt to wipe out the Jews? Really?

Goldenpony
03-09-2016, 06:44 AM
He will do to the Republican party what Hitler did to Germany.

Trump will make the trains run on time??

1baddlx
03-09-2016, 07:24 AM
He will do to the Republican party what Hitler did to Germany.

Im in trouble,I don't have blonde hair and blue eyes,I guess I won't vote for him..

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 09:22 AM
^^^...So you are saying Trump will try to create a super human race, create concentration camps and attempt to wipe out the Jews? Really?

No. He will leave the Republicans in ruin, just as Germany after WW II.

IWRBB
03-09-2016, 09:46 AM
The president can only do so much. Executive orders (Obammys favs) aside, all they can do to really change anything is sign a bill into law. EOs are total bullshit and circumvent the checks and balances designed into the system. Which is why the EOs always get appealed to the courts by someone. Aside from that BS way of operating, congress and the courts are the ones who have the power to change things. They are the only ones who can gut the clean water act for example. Trump, or anyone else, can't just say "the EPA and Education department do not exist as of today" and make it happen. Congress can do that. The courts can do that. Presidents are like quarterbacks. They get too much criticism when things go bad and too much credit when things go well.

redfirepearlgt
03-09-2016, 10:08 AM
The president can only do so much. Executive orders (Obammys favs) aside, all they can do to really change anything is sign a bill into law. EOs are total bullshit and circumvent the checks and balances designed into the system. Which is why the EOs always get appealed to the courts by someone. Aside from that BS way of operating, congress and the courts are the ones who have the power to change things. They are the only ones who can gut the clean water act for example. Trump, or anyone else, can't just say "the EPA and Education department do not exist as of today" and make it happen. Congress can do that. The courts can do that. Presidents are like quarterbacks. They get too much criticism when things go bad and too much credit when things go well.

Very true. Joe Montana would have not been successful without someone like Jerry Rice to throw to.

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 10:28 AM
The president can only do so much. Executive orders (Obammys favs) aside, all they can do to really change anything is sign a bill into law. EOs are total bullshit and circumvent the checks and balances designed into the system. Which is why the EOs always get appealed to the courts by someone. Aside from that BS way of operating, congress and the courts are the ones who have the power to change things. They are the only ones who can gut the clean water act for example. Trump, or anyone else, can't just say "the EPA and Education department do not exist as of today" and make it happen. Congress can do that. The courts can do that. Presidents are like quarterbacks. They get too much criticism when things go bad and too much credit when things go well.

Well spoken.

cstreu1026
03-09-2016, 10:41 AM
He president only has as much power as congress will give him. Unfortunately congress cares more about re-election so they have continually yielded more and more power to the executive branch so that they don't have to make decisions that may impact their time in office.

The same thing can be said for the states.

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 10:51 AM
This may surprise everyone.

Over the past 120 years the president that issued the fewest executive orders: Obama, followed by George W. Bush.

cstreu1026
03-09-2016, 12:41 PM
Not surprised at all

IWRBB
03-09-2016, 04:03 PM
This may surprise everyone.

Over the past 120 years the president that issued the fewest executive orders: Obama, followed by George W. Bush.

Interesting stat, but of course it's not the number of EOs that matter, only the content of each that matters. It's one thing to issue an order on changing the boundary of a National Park somewhere, it's another to create new policy/laws that would have stood no chance of making it through congress due to the will of the people being represented.

redfirepearlgt
03-09-2016, 04:45 PM
This may surprise everyone.

Over the past 120 years the president that issued the fewest executive orders: Obama, followed by George W. Bush.

Show the claimed 120 EO's of Obama along side those of G.W. Bush and Clinton in chronological order comparison.

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 04:54 PM
Interesting stat, but of course it's not the number of EOs that matter, only the content of each that matters. It's one thing to issue an order on changing the boundary of a National Park somewhere, it's another to create new policy/laws that would have stood no chance of making it through congress due to the will of the people being represented.

George W. Bush issued more than 125 signing statements indicating that he would not enforce 1100 provisions of various laws passed by Congress based upon his belief that the provisions were unconstitutional or infringed on the executive branch. There have always been tensions between the legislative branch and the executive branch. Let's not pretend that Obama did anything that previous presidents did not do by action or inaction. Executive orders are exactly that; they only apply to the executive branch.

cstreu1026
03-09-2016, 05:29 PM
2 wrongs don't make a right.

vertigo
03-09-2016, 05:29 PM
He will do to the Republican party what Hitler did to Germany.

Duh, he will commission the people's car, and make roads without speed limits!

redfirepearlgt
03-09-2016, 05:56 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

Obama 226, GW 291, Clinton 364, GH Bush 166. Now compare the EO's of Obama to other presidents.

Through this link you can compare the EO's of presidents. You will see how the EO privilege is used by presidents and how many. Its how the privy is used as far as I am concerned, not the amount. That is merely a stat. Enjoy.

04 Venom
03-09-2016, 05:57 PM
Show the claimed 120 EO's of Obama along side those of G.W. Bush and Clinton in chronological order comparison.

Look it up on Wikipedia if you are really interested.

redfirepearlgt
03-09-2016, 10:11 PM
I believe that's what I did. Its posted right above yours. Point is that there is more to a number than just the statistic. Compare how the EO's have been used and what for not just the number BTW the EO number is 226 for Obama not 120, and the total for G.W. was 291 in his full two terms. While I don't hang my hat on wiki as fact, I will use it as general reference in instances like this that don't involve life and death decision making.

redfirepearlgt
03-10-2016, 11:38 AM
Thought I would share this on the topic of EO usage. Enjoy.

A study undertaken by the Mercatus Institute reveals that President Obama has used more restrictive executive orders than his previous SIX predecessors in the White House.

Despite Obama running on a campaign promise not to abuse executive orders, the findings indicate that while he has not used as many orders as past Presidents, the language in Obama’s executive orders is much more restrictive.

“We examine the usage of restrictions—words that create binding, legal obligations, such as ‘shall’ and ‘must,’” a Mercatus statement said.


“Although the current administration has issued fewer executive orders than other modern administrations, the figures show that its total usage of restrictions in executive orders and proclamations exceeds that of any of the past six administrations, with the exception of Clinton’s first term.” the statement continues.

“We don’t know the actual burden the president’s executive orders impose on the public,” noted James Broughel, a program manager at the Mercatus Center.

“This is because these policies avoid benefit-cost analysis requirements that have been an accepted feature of the regulatory process for over thirty years.” Broughel added.

Figures compiled by the Federal Register also show that while Obama has issued 229 executive orders, to George W. Bush’s 292 and Bill Clinton’s 308, the total length of Obama’s orders equates to 1,086 pages. Bush’s orders comprised 922 pages and Clinton’s just 781 pages.

“Not all executive orders are created equal,” said John Hudak of the Brookings Institution. “Some are quite forceful, making dramatic changes to policy. Others are more routine, housekeeping issues.”

In 2014, Obama vowed “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone—and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.”

Obama issued an executive order this week to implement stricter gun control laws that could see Americans having to obtain a federal license to sell just one previously owned firearm. The order will also resurrect a plan to prevent many Social Security recipients from buying guns, a move that could see millions of Americans barred from legally owning firearms.

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Steve Watson is a London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’

1baddlx
03-14-2016, 01:25 PM
Whats all the fighting going on during the trump rallies? I see a lot of black and white ppl fighting against one another...any input?

k062693w
03-14-2016, 02:21 PM
Whats all the fighting going on during the trump rallies? I see a lot of black and white ppl fighting against one another...any input?

Black Lives Matter is being Funded to cause Disruption ...

redfirepearlgt
03-14-2016, 03:49 PM
Billionaire left winger George Soros is using his moveon.org and blacklivesmatter.org groups is up to his old tricks again.

Goldenpony
03-14-2016, 04:08 PM
I will walk barefooted over broken glass tomorrow to vote for The Donald.
George Soros is the son of Satan.

redfirepearlgt
03-14-2016, 05:53 PM
I will walk barefooted over broken glass tomorrow to vote for The Donald.
George Soros is the son of Satan.

That's a major slam to Lucifer. LOL!

cstreu1026
03-14-2016, 09:35 PM
It's a pipe dream to think he will win the nomination.

http://truthinmedia.com/rnc-official-every-delegate-is-a-superdelegate-override-will-of-voters/

draggin50
03-15-2016, 12:20 AM
Its all rigged anyways I think. Its been pointed out to many times to just be a coincidence. It almost makes me sick to think that our votes don't matter.

Goldenpony
03-15-2016, 12:49 AM
If the "establishment" robs Trump of the nomination, and against the will of the people, a lot of Trump voters will just stay home at the general election and let Hillary have it. Don't think for a moment that couldn't happen.

draggin50
03-15-2016, 01:26 AM
Ill still make my way out to vote even if Trump doesn't get it just so Hillary or Bernie doesn't win.

IWRBB
03-15-2016, 10:51 AM
It's a pipe dream to think he will win the nomination.

http://truthinmedia.com/rnc-official-every-delegate-is-a-superdelegate-override-will-of-voters/

That's nothing new. Delegates certainly don't have to vote for the person who won their state primaries. For example, if there is a tie, at some point, someone has to "flip their vote" to break the tie. Someone has to be the party's candidate, and there can't be two from the same party.

On the other hand, assuming there is no chance of a tie, they are expected to vote for the candidate that won their state's primary. If they flip because they just don't like the outcome of the primary vote, I'm thinking they won't be used as delegates in future elections because they cannot be trusted to vote the way the people of their state entrusted them to do.

04 Venom
03-15-2016, 11:02 AM
Each state party selects its own rules. The candidate doesn't always select their own delegates nor are they necessarily bound for more than one ballot.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2016-03-14/how-to-steal-a-nomination-from-donald-trump

beefcake
03-16-2016, 08:01 PM
go donald

cstreu1026
03-19-2016, 10:38 AM
So I have a question your the trump supporters. When the Republican Party nominates someone other than Trump despite winning in the primaries what will you do? If he runs as an independent will continue to support him or will you fall in line and back the Republican nominee to keep Hillary from winning?

Goldenpony
03-19-2016, 11:20 AM
Haven't decided that yet. Good question though.

draggin50
03-19-2016, 11:33 AM
Depends on who the republican nomination is.

cstreu1026
03-19-2016, 11:38 AM
Say it's Cruz or Kasich since the are still in the race or maybe Rubio because that's who the party wanted anyway.

Goldenpony
03-19-2016, 11:46 AM
I would probably hold my nose and vote for Cruz (Lyin' Ted), but if Kasich-I'll stay home. He won't get it anyway.

cstreu1026
03-19-2016, 04:39 PM
I would probably hold my nose and vote for Cruz (Lyin' Ted), but if Kasich-I'll stay home. He won't get it anyway.

So you would stay home, not vote, and bitch about the outcome?

draggin50
03-19-2016, 05:15 PM
Say it's Cruz or Kasich since the are still in the race or maybe Rubio because that's who the party wanted anyway.

Ill vote Republican either way no matter who is nominated.

Rick93coupe
03-20-2016, 12:47 AM
I support the Republican nominee.

Goldenpony
03-20-2016, 12:55 AM
Not sure. If Kasich would be the nominee, I'd have to think long & hard. I'd either vote for him (and hate myself), or write in Trump.

draggin50
03-20-2016, 12:58 AM
It would be hard to chose Kasich but I don't think he will get the nomination.

Rick93coupe
03-20-2016, 01:06 AM
The only thing I really have against Kasich is he's screwing up the normal election cycle. Hell I'd rather have seen Ben stay in if this is what it was going to come down to.

Rick93coupe
03-20-2016, 01:14 AM
Not to mention the guy barely won anything, the people have said all that needs to be said.

CNTLOSE
03-20-2016, 10:35 PM
I would vote for Trump if he went independent. I also would have zero interest in the Republican party for not listening to the majority of voters who have selected Trump as who they want to put against Hillary. If they do not put Trump on the ticket I bet it will be Kasich. The party does not care for Cruz so I can not see them standing in line with him either.

Goldenpony
03-20-2016, 10:57 PM
Me too. After thinking more about it, if Trump is forced to run independent, he'll have my vote. Kasich never. Kasich is like a brother in law that stays in your house too long.

draggin50
03-21-2016, 12:25 AM
That is exactly how I see it going. Trump wont get the republican nomination and will run independent therefore splitting the republican votes giving Hillary the easy win.

Good job America!

1baddlx
03-21-2016, 07:13 AM
Looks like a mma fight at the trump rallies. .

redfirepearlgt
03-21-2016, 08:29 AM
^ The work of Hungarian born, democrat, and multi-billionaire George Soros backing moveon.org.

draggin50
03-21-2016, 10:28 AM
Looks like a mma fight at the trump rallies. .

All they are doing is making it easier for the Trump voters. Bernie gets on there and talks about Trump's people being violent but its his fan group causing all the problems. Then he says, how is responsible for it??? Funny... MoveOn.org and black lives matter are the people causing the problems. Flags stompers and people who want the free shit. If they had jobs, they would have less time to protest an event. The 1st amendment goes both ways. If I was in Arizona and those jackasses got in the way, Id be sure to take a few out.

Blkcobra01
03-21-2016, 04:03 PM
All they are doing is making it easier for the Trump voters. Bernie gets on there and talks about Trump's people being violent but its his fan group causing all the problems. Then he says, how is responsible for it??? Funny... MoveOn.org and black lives matter are the people causing the problems. Flags stompers and people who want the free shit. If they had jobs, they would have less time to protest an event. The 1st amendment goes both ways. If I was in Arizona and those jackasses got in the way, Id be sure to take a few out.

This ^!


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Goldenpony
03-23-2016, 08:22 PM
Interesting take . . .




Peter Ticktin
March 4 at 7:40pm ·
VOTE AS YOU WISH, AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT TRUMP - - A personal note from Peter Ticktin who knows the guy from high school:
As a law firm, we at The Ticktin Law Group do not like to get involved in politics. As soon as we endorse one side, we risk alienating everyone on the other side. Also, our lawyers and staff are, themselves, on both sides. Politics is not our game. However, Justice is!
If you saw a guy get publicly smeared, and you knew him well from the days you were friends and seniors together in high school, if you knew him to be a decent and honest man, would you want to say something? This is why I need to share what I know.
I was aghast at watching last night's debate. It was a set-up. The moderators, Cruz, and Rubio were all like little alligators trying to take a bite out of Trump. Yes, Donald Trump has had some failures, but he has been exceedingly successful. None of this came out. Instead, there was a general attack. Rubio simply makes up lies. He pretends that Trump has small hands and makes fun of him for something which isn't even real. He pretends that Donald wets his pants, and makes fun of him, as though it was true, and then he calls Donald Trump a "Bully."
I am not suggesting that you should vote or not vote for anyone. I just need to defend a former friend who is being smeared.
Like Donald Trump, I attended New York Military Academy ("NYMA") for high school. In fact, in our senior year, together, Donald was my captain, and I was his 1st Platoon Sergeant. I sometimes joke that I ran his first company for him, Company "A."
People don't really change much from the ages of 17 and 18, and I know this guy. I know him to be a good decent guy. We lived and breathed an Honor Code in those years. It wasn't just a rule. It was our way of life. Neither Donald, nor any other cadet who graduated with us would ever lie, cheat, or steal from a fellow cadet. These values became irreversibly intertwined in the fabric of our personalities, of who we are.
Of the 99 guys (no girls in those days) in our class, there is not one who I know who has a bad word to say about Donald Trump. Think of it. With all the jealousies which arise in high school and thereafter, with all the potential envy, not one of us has anything other than positive memories of this man. How could we? He was an "A" student, a top athlete, and as a leader, he was highly respected. We never feared him, yet we never wanted to disappoint him. He had our respect. He was never a bigot in any way, shape or form. He only hates those who hate. Of course he denounces the KKK.
As to the discussion with the New York Times, it is his choice to release the 'off the record' remarks. However, if he does, it opens the door for all political opposition to make that demand for everyone, and that means that our press will never get those 'off the record' remarks which help them to understand the realities of the campaign. Moreover, the idea that Donald Trump confessed some alternate theory of his position is preposterous. Can anyone believe that all those NY Times reporters are walking around knowing some deep dark nasty secret about a guy who is seeking an endorsement?
The Republican establishment is afraid of Donald Trump. Why? They are afraid that he will lose to Hillary. They don't hate Donald. They hate her. They are so fearful that they fail to see that by expanding the base of voters for Trump, he is more likely to win.
Watching the chorus of whiners, decriers, denigrators, and self-righteous put-down experts from so many directions, from Mit Romney, to Megyn Kelly, Little Mario, it has to make you wonder. Why? Why are so many people so angry with Donald Trump, that they are lying, name calling, ridiculing, and demeaning him as they do. Either they are afraid, or they know him to be evil.
This is why I feel the need to speak out at this time. I know this man. He is a lot of things, but he is not evil. He is a decent honest guy who loves this country, and who is willing to sacrifice so much of what is left of his life, because he knows that this country needs to be fixed, and that it is going to require someone who can do the job. He just doesn't see anything around him other than political hacks, so he is willing to take this huge responsibility.
I'm not saying that he is the only one who can do the job. My point is simply as to his motivation and his goodness.
This next decade is going to be one of major changes. We all see the climate changing, and the world food supply is getting lower. Our fish stock around the world is running low. Oil prices will cause countries to fail. The Middle East is beyond repair, and we have become weak and ineffective around the world. Donald Trump sees the issues and knows that he can assemble leaders who would have the best chance of fixing things. This is why he is running. He does not need it for his own aggrandizement. He doesn't need another big jet or to take up residence in the White House. He just wants things to be fixed, and he knows that the politicians won't fix anything.
I knew Donald Trump and was close to him in our senior year in high school. I just want you to know that there is nothing to fear from him. His character is as good as it gets. He is a patriot, taking on a heroic task, and being thanked by massive abuse.
If you want to see a true reflection of a man, look at his children. Need I say more?

draggin50
03-24-2016, 01:03 AM
Good read!!!

04 Venom
03-24-2016, 01:47 PM
Trump sounds like a nice guy 50 years ago. What happened to him?

redfirepearlgt
03-24-2016, 02:52 PM
I sense envy and jealousy from people who think they are owed a living. To those people who struggle with this I suggest reading "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell

Rick93coupe
03-24-2016, 08:37 PM
Nothings wrong with him. He's leading the delegate count because everyone is sick to death of Washington and their bullshit.

Berne has no chance and that leaves democrats with Hillary. Anyone who could vote for Hillary has no right to open their trap about Trump. That bitch is the apitomy of corruption in washington.

04 Venom
03-24-2016, 09:21 PM
Nothings wrong with him. He's leading the delegate count because everyone is sick to death of Washington and their bullshit.

Berne has no chance and that leaves democrats with Hillary. Anyone who could vote for Hillary has no right to open their trap about Trump. That bitch is apitomy of corruption in washington.

There aren't enough angry white voters for Trump to win a general election.

He's the only candidate that has higher negative ratings among the general electorate than Clinton and he is the only candidate that is considered less trustworthy than her. The Republican Party realizes that they will lose the presidency with or without Trump and will concentrate on trying to retain a majority in the Senate, which will be difficult since 24 of the 34 seats up for re-election are currently held by Republicans.

Rick93coupe
03-24-2016, 09:46 PM
Angry white voters huh, your funny.

draggin50
03-25-2016, 12:01 AM
But you have Kasich staying in to only try to stop Trump. He knows he don't have a chance in hell being that he still needs 1094 delegates with only 944 remaining.

And Im with all the other Trump voters. Im tired of the bullshit and at least he says what I want to hear. He may not be able to back most of it up, but he is saying it. I think the majority would favor Trump over Hillary when it comes down to it.

1baddlx
03-31-2016, 07:59 AM
The Trumpster ship is sinking!

cstreu1026
03-31-2016, 08:48 AM
It takes a special kind of stupid to unite both pro life and pro choice factions against you.

1baddlx
03-31-2016, 09:05 AM
It takes a special kind of stupid to unite both pro life and pro choice factions against you.

I guess he can use his campaign money spent as a tax writeoff

redfirepearlgt
03-31-2016, 10:57 AM
He's one of the few who to ever run that could actually do that. Most (not all) other candidates run their campaigns on the backs of their constituents who get that tax right off. So if you wish to elevate yourself to the same level from a tax write off perspective, make a campaign contribution to your chosen party favorite and you to can write it off on your taxes. Entitlement envy solved.

1baddlx
03-31-2016, 11:31 AM
He's one of the few who to ever run that could actually do that. Most (not all) other candidates run their campaigns on the backs of their constituents who get that tax right off. So if you wish to elevate yourself to the same level from a tax write off perspective, make a campaign contribution to your chosen party favorite and you to can write it off on your taxes. Entitlement envy solved.

As previously stated,he's sinking his own ship,actually he's aborting himself out of the presidential race,is he for or against abortion?:dunno::AR15:::flipoff:

redfirepearlgt
03-31-2016, 12:12 PM
As previously stated,he's sinking his own ship,actually he's aborting himself out of the presidential race,is he for or against abortion?:dunno::AR15:::flipoff:

I'm voting for a president not a pope.

cstreu1026
03-31-2016, 06:55 PM
Planning to write his name in when doesn't get the nomination?

redfirepearlgt
03-31-2016, 07:34 PM
Nope, I'm not a cat licker. Voting to Bernie Cam? Populist party should suit you.

cstreu1026
03-31-2016, 08:20 PM
I side with freedom and liberty so I'll be casting my vote for either Gary Johnson or Austin Petersen...whomever gets the Libertarian nomination.

cstreu1026
03-31-2016, 08:22 PM
Bernie does seem to have 1 or 2 redeeming qualities though. I agreed with his stance on war and his anti-corporatism but I don't believe either one is real.

04 Venom
04-02-2016, 10:25 PM
He's one of the few who to ever run that could actually do that. Most (not all) other candidates run their campaigns on the backs of their constituents who get that tax right off. So if you wish to elevate yourself to the same level from a tax write off perspective, make a campaign contribution to your chosen party favorite and you to can write it off on your taxes. Entitlement envy solved.

Where did you get the idea that campaign donations are tax-deductible?

redfirepearlgt
04-02-2016, 11:17 PM
I was poking fun at this statement lil professor.


I guess he can use his campaign money spent as a tax writeoff

Goldenpony
04-02-2016, 11:50 PM
Still votin' for the Trumpster

1baddlx
04-03-2016, 11:49 AM
I was poking fun at this statement lil professor.

U must not know me,far from little..:flipoff:

04 Venom
04-03-2016, 02:50 PM
The latest Trump delusion is his claim that he can retire the $19 trillion public debt in 8 years. Incredible.

cstreu1026
04-03-2016, 06:16 PM
Is that how long it would take robotics $19 trillion dollars?

04 Venom
04-05-2016, 02:15 PM
According to King Donald, we are headed for a massive recession unless he is elected president. Given the choice, I'll take the massive recession.

Goldenpony
04-06-2016, 12:32 PM
Trump or nobody

cstreu1026
04-06-2016, 01:28 PM
According to King Donald, we are headed for a massive recession unless he is elected president. Given the choice, I'll take the massive recession.

Some thing we are already there.

http://www.schiffradio.com/trumps-very-massive-recession-may-have-already-begun-ep-157/

04 Venom
04-06-2016, 07:58 PM
Trump or nobody

Trump touted his "fantastic" brain and what a smart guy he was in negotiations because he did his homework better than anybody else. I guess he never bothered to check how the various state parties select the delegates to the convention. Many of the Trump delegates are not actual Trump supporters and are bound to vote for him for just the first ballot.

Epic fail on Trump's part.

Goldenpony
04-19-2016, 02:10 PM
GO DONALD!

IWRBB
04-19-2016, 03:23 PM
Trump touted his "fantastic" brain and what a smart guy he was in negotiations because he did his homework better than anybody else. I guess he never bothered to check how the various state parties select the delegates to the convention. Many of the Trump delegates are not actual Trump supporters and are bound to vote for him for just the first ballot.

Epic fail on Trump's part.

Trump's campaign knows exactly what the rules are in every state and exactly what the delegates from each state can and can't do at the RNC. They may rail on about how screwy the process is when they don't win a particular state, but they know what the process is.

cstreu1026
04-19-2016, 09:04 PM
The RNC can and will make rules as they go in Cleveland to get the outcome they want.

Goldenpony
04-20-2016, 12:19 AM
The Donald kicks a$$ in New York.

Goldenpony
04-24-2016, 02:35 PM
Indiana and California-things are looking better and better for the Donald.

1baddlx
04-24-2016, 06:41 PM
Indiana and California-things are looking better and better for the Donald.

He's really made a ass outta himself, you really should prepare yourself for reality,he wouldn't make a good president, more of a joke maybe...

draggin50
04-24-2016, 08:45 PM
Why you hating Jason?

Bernie or Hillary are no better.

Goldenpony
04-24-2016, 09:15 PM
After 8 years of an incompetent, Muslim, white hating president, I am more than willing to give the Donald a shot. Not sure if it isn't too late, but we have to try to get the train back on the tracks. If not, well-it's been a hell of a ride. May our children forgive us.

cstreu1026
04-24-2016, 09:57 PM
We've had 16 years of Bush era policies. What are you complaining about?

Goldenpony
04-24-2016, 10:31 PM
I didn't like W. either. W. is who got Obama elected in the first place. BUT, I'd take him back in a second over Obama.

CNTLOSE
04-25-2016, 09:49 AM
Bush was screwed from the start. Dealing with the "Give everyone a house they can't afford" from the Clinton era and then of course 9/11 (Another event that may have been prevented had Clinton acted in 1998 as he said). Who knows where we would be as a country and a world if those two things did not happen.

Personally I think the Republican Party has already handed the election to the Democrats no matter who ends up running on either side.

redfirepearlgt
04-25-2016, 11:49 AM
^^^ AND...IMHO Obama was elected due to crappy candidate selection in 2008. Had someone other than Dole been the choice he'd still only be a Senator and of head of the Democratic Black Caucus, again IMHO. Now who could or would have beaten him in2008? Only the man driving the boat knows, whoever that may be in your little world. ;)

Personally I also think GW did okay considering. It's easy again to speculate on would a, could a, should a, on Monday morning. There will never be a perfect candidate except in the mind of the one running, and of course in the mind of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. LOL!

04 Venom
04-25-2016, 01:08 PM
[QUOTE=redfirepearlgt;807733]^^^ AND...IMHO Obama was elected due to crappy candidate selection in 2008. Had someone other than Dole been the choice he'd still only be a Senator and of head of the Democratic Black Caucus, again IMHO. Now who could or would have beaten him in2008? Only the man driving the boat knows, whoever that may be in your little world. ;)

McCain was the nominee in 2008. Dole was the nominee in 1996 against Bill Clinton.

redfirepearlgt
04-25-2016, 02:38 PM
^^^ Thanks. Their both so old and so useless I guess I got them mixed up.

Goldenpony
04-26-2016, 08:45 PM
Trump scores 5 state sweep!

beefcake
04-27-2016, 04:28 PM
Trump scores 5 state sweep!

i did the math, i think he needs 53% of the remaining delegates to win.

i wish the hell kaisch would drop out of the damn race. only reason he is in is to take votes from trump plain and simple

i think hes decent but has no shot, he acts like if he stays in and it goes open convention he can win......

Blkcobra01
04-28-2016, 11:56 AM
i did the math, i think he needs 53% of the remaining delegates to win.

i wish the hell kaisch would drop out of the damn race. only reason he is in is to take votes from trump plain and simple

i think hes decent but has no shot, he acts like if he stays in and it goes open convention he can win......

I agree.

Goldenpony
04-28-2016, 01:41 PM
I'm no fan of John Boehner, but he called Cruz a miserable son of a bitch and said he was Lucifer in the flesh. Said he will not vote for him. Wow, quite an endorsement from a colleague.

CNTLOSE
04-28-2016, 04:36 PM
I'm no fan of John Boehner, but he called Cruz a miserable son of a bitch and said he was Lucifer in the flesh. Said he will not vote for him. Wow, quite an endorsement from a colleague.

The only person the GOP seems to like...or at least not despise...is Kasich. which is why I believe if it goes to the convention he will get the nomination.

cstreu1026
04-28-2016, 04:38 PM
The fact that Boehner doesn't like him is a positive endorsement to me.

Goldenpony
04-28-2016, 05:36 PM
Not gonna happen

cstreu1026
04-28-2016, 07:23 PM
You're right, Trump will never be the Republican nomination let alone president.

Goldenpony
04-28-2016, 10:31 PM
No, I meant Kasich. What a tool.