official "dirty dozen" discussion thread

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Originally Posted by Maximus

This is a discussion, hopefully No-one is getting pissed off.

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That's a great point. This is a discussion. No need for people to get salty. The Dozen is still relatively new and for not being an official "sanctioned" event, it sure does get it's share of interest. I'm flexible. If we need to clarify what few rules we have, let's DISCUSS it like grown men and not act like a bunch of crybabies. If rules become more important than the idea behind it, the whole thing will be bound for failure.

I still say it's kinda late in the game to be switching up the ruling. There's only one more week and everybody knows he has a clean & fast street car. I say leave him on for this year and get his ass out to some of our diddys next year. Making more than one post every 2 months would help too. :bigthumb

"Don't knock your brother down, reach out and pull him up"

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Originally Posted by beefcake

i don't agree with that
if i was on the list, there would have been no chance of me makin it sat because i work every sat, plain and simple

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Well I think that posting only to cry about an engine that you got screwed on and posting your newest times is not enough to put you on the DD list! Yes his son was sick this weekend but what about the rest of the year, where are the excuses for that!! Also I had to call into work just to go, but I am a little more devoted than your average person!!:D

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Originally Posted by vinny5oh

That's a great point. This is a discussion. No need for people to get salty. The Dozen is still relatively new and for not being an official "sanctioned" event, it sure does get it's share of interest. I'm flexible. If we need to clarify what few rules we have, let's DISCUSS it like grown men and not act like a bunch of crybabies. If rules become more important than the idea behind it, the whole thing will be bound for failure.

I still say it's kinda late in the game to be switching up the ruling. There's only one more week and everybody knows he has a clean & fast street car. I say leave him on for this year and get his ass out to some of our diddys next year. Making more than one post every 2 months would help too. :bigthumb

"Don't knock your brother down, reach out and pull him up"

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What do you think is really fair to all the guys that busted thier butts to get the cars going and to the track Sat to run, do you let one person slip through the cracks, cause wait till next its going to start all over and if you don't fix the problem now your just gonna make it worse for later!! My .02 but I think it should be up to the guys that are on the list, let them decide or even make a poll to see what they think!!

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Originally Posted by orangedemon331

Well I think that posting only to cry about an engine that you got screwed on and posting your newest times is not enough to put you on the DD list! Yes his son was sick this weekend but what about the rest of the year, where are the excuses for that!! Also I had to call into work just to go, but I am a little more devoted than your average person!!:D

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i have to agree with craig and the others that posted #6

PARTICIPATING MEMBER

he is a member, but not a participating member

I think everybody needs a nice warm glass of STFU.Maximus/orangedemon, stirring the pot w/old shit isn't cool either,he let it go, maybe you should. I spoke to him earlier, and he will do his best to go to tri-state this weekend(weather providing), hopefully that will put an end to the debate. Brian/Ibstrokin---#13, #1 on deck.

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Originally Posted by ibstrokin

I think everybody needs a nice warm glass of STFU.Maximus/orangedemon, stirring the pot w/old shit isn't cool either,he let it go, maybe you should. I spoke to him earlier, and he will do his best to go to tri-state this weekend(weather providing), hopefully that will put an end to the debate. Brian/Ibstrokin---#13, #1 on deck.

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it's not about going to tristate
that has not been the issue
nothing to do with the local track
it has to do with him not being a participating member
period

He participated today!

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Originally Posted by vinny5oh

That's a great point. This is a discussion. No need for people to get salty. The Dozen is still relatively new and for not being an official "sanctioned" event, it sure does get it's share of interest. I'm flexible. If we need to clarify what few rules we have, let's DISCUSS it like grown men and not act like a bunch of crybabies. If rules become more important than the idea behind it, the whole thing will be bound for failure.

I still say it's kinda late in the game to be switching up the ruling. There's only one more week and everybody knows he has a clean & fast street car. I say leave him on for this year and get his ass out to some of our diddys next year. Making more than one post every 2 months would help too. :bigthumb

"Don't knock your brother down, reach out and pull him up"

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Sounds good to me

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Originally Posted by ibstrokin

He participated today!

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about 300 days too late lol

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Originally Posted by beefcake

it's not about going to tristate
that has not been the issue
nothing to do with the local track
it has to do with him not being a participating member
period

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You would think the obvious is simple...

He, or any other ACTIVE Stangbangerz, can run at KK. (Im planning on running there next year) Thats not the issue. Its about being AN ACTIVE MEMBER ON SBZ AND showing support by showing up to current SBZ events.

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Originally Posted by ibstrokin

I think everybody needs a nice warm glass of STFU.Maximus/orangedemon, stirring the pot w/old shit isn't cool either,he let it go, maybe you should. I spoke to him earlier, and he will do his best to go to tri-state this weekend(weather providing), hopefully that will put an end to the debate. Brian/Ibstrokin---#13, #1 on deck.

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If he will DRIVE the car, down to TS, this saturday, I say, let it be. I'll be there, I'm sure others will be too. I don't have a dog in this fight, so I will be fair and honest.

In my opinion, GTTurbo88, has not been a big poster here. That, to me, is not a "participating member". Most of the posts I found, were about an engine, that he thought he got screwed on. But in fairness, let him bring his car, to the track, and let it speak for itself.

Anyone else agree?

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Originally Posted by mustang8998

If he will DRIVE the car, down to TS, this saturday, I say, let it be. I'll be there, I'm sure others will be too. I don't have a dog in this fight, so I will be fair and honest.

In my opinion, GTTurbo88, has not been a big poster here. That, to me, is not a "participating member". Most of the posts I found, were about an engine, that he thought he got screwed on. But in fairness, let him bring his car, to the track, and let it speak for itself.

Anyone else agree?

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not really, again, it's not about tristate, he has not participated at all this year,

to me, this place is important, not just a this or that

it's a place to hang, be with friends, meet new ones, bring the community together

he has not been a member of the community, plain and simple

it's not about racing at tristate

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Originally Posted by orangedemon331

What do you think is really fair to all the guys that busted thier butts to get the cars going and to the track Sat to run, do you let one person slip through the cracks, cause wait till next its going to start all over and if you don't fix the problem now your just gonna make it worse for later!!

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Thats a good point.

Look at the dozen last year...
We did have one slip threw the cracks and new rules were made. But unfourtunately, here we are again.:(

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Originally Posted by beefcake

not really, again, it's not about tristate, he has not participated at all this year,

to me, this place is important, not just a this or that

it's a place to hang, be with friends, meet new ones, bring the community together

he has not been a member of the community, plain and simple

it's not about racing at tristate

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Im hearing you Beef.:bigthumb

i will be a better member next year ... this was all new to me, hence: stangbangerz, UMTR, the cruise in's ... AND im not happy with the car at this moment, but will be a different story next year ... looking forward to meeting more people and posting dumb ass comments :HYF: sorry i missed the event saturday at tristate ((work)) ... and duncan made it worse by calling me, it was killing me inside not to be there with all of those fast stangs ...

thank you, johnny cash ...

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Originally Posted by vinny5oh

That's a great point. This is a discussion. No need for people to get salty. The Dozen is still relatively new and for not being an official "sanctioned" event, it sure does get it's share of interest. I'm flexible. If we need to clarify what few rules we have, let's DISCUSS it like grown men and not act like a bunch of crybabies. If rules become more important than the idea behind it, the whole thing will be bound for failure.

I still say it's kinda late in the game to be switching up the ruling. There's only one more week and everybody knows he has a clean & fast street car. I say leave him on for this year and get his ass out to some of our diddys next year. Making more than one post every 2 months would help too. :bigthumb

"Don't knock your brother down, reach out and pull him up"

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This is Vinnys deal and I know Vin you are not like that (almighty ruler guy)
but I agree Scott seems to have one hell of a ride and I am all about picking a brother up when he is down trust me if Logan would have had the flu I would not have been there breakin shit , but I say if Scott really wants to be part of this and as of today it seems that way he has to vow to be somewhat more active next year ??? or his spot is null and void .. does that sound like a plausible idea ???

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Originally Posted by Maximus

For someone that "really dont care" you are making a big deal about it.

There were plenty of Dayton guys running there on Saturday.

Sorry to hear about your son, that really does suck that he got the flu:(

We really dont have to delete your account, you dont post except when you feel threatened about being in the Dozen. Or when you dont do your homework and feel you got screwed by a fellow member.

You know how to hit the "sign out" at the bottom of the homepage.

Its a shame you dont bring your stang out to any of the SBZ events. It IS a very cool, clean stang and Im sure everyone would like to see it.

Good Luck with what ever you decide to do:bigthumb

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Hey, great idea, try having more SBZ event in Dayton:flipoff: The Dayton events that you DO have, we have been there, but I guess that dont count in your expert opinion:rolleyes:


And if I am not mistaken Craig, you were the first to post right after Vinny brought this up, so how does that make Scott having a big deal about it? Your the one saying he should not be there, seems to me you was making the "big deal". Seems like this whole thing got everyones panties in a bunch on Saturday, but it is Scotts fault right?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by vinny5oh

It's not an "us" vs "them" thing so don't try to make it sound like we don't want any Dayton guys around. SBZ was created to pull the local Mustang community together. I'd rather not have people try to rip that apart. Which is why I am going ask Paul that he PLEASE not get on here just to stir up trouble. Sounds like Ackbar is getting a case of the "Metcalf" and if it continues, well there's only one cure for that and I'd rather not.

I think the biggest issue here is that Scott gets on here, posts up a time for the DD and then we never hear from him again. We don't see him on the site, we don't see him at the cruise-ins, we don't see him at any events. Not saying that Scott should make EVERY event but it's hard to have somebody on the list that really doesn't support the site when there's others that call this place home, come out to events and have fun with everybody.

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Yep, typical, its MY fault for stiring the pot:rolleyes:

As I said, the events you do have in Dayton, we have made. As Badfbdy said, some of us have lives outside this message forum. It is a LOT easier for us to make an event in Dayton, than in Cincy. But even then, it is hard for us. I mean shit, I only made 1 cruise in at Dayton this year, and that meeting spot is 1 mile from my house. And for the record, Iposted Scotts times. Theres even video of him putting the car on the bumper making the pass, but you guys are too fucking worried that he makes an event or not, I dont even care to post it:mad:

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Originally Posted by Ackbar00

Hey, great idea, try having more SBZ event in Dayton:flipoff: The Dayton events that you DO have, we have been there, but I guess that dont count in your expert opinion:rolleyes:


And if I am not mistaken Craig, you were the first to post right after Vinny brought this up, so how does that make Scott having a big deal about it? Your the one saying he should not be there, seems to me you was making the "big deal". Seems like this whole thing got everyones panties in a bunch on Saturday, but it is Scotts fault right?:rolleyes:

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Well the Running of The Pony's was right near Dayton and you or your brother weren't there, so what is the excuse for that? You can't say you didn't know, because it was all over this board!!:cool1:

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Originally Posted by Maximus

Thats a good point.

Look at the dozen last year...
We did have one slip threw the cracks and new rules were made. But unfourtunately, here we are again.:(

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Who was that?

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Originally Posted by orangedemon331

Well the Running of The Pony's was right near Dayton and you or your brother weren't there, so what is the excuse for that? You can't say you didn't know, because it was all over this board!!:cool1:

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With the exception of this thread, mabey you have not noticed, but I dont post here much anymore;)

ANd mabey you missed the part where he said he got his car running like only 3 weeks ago?

I may have missed all that, but does his car being down also keep him at the house, because my car has been down nearly all year but I was at every event to show my support, as far as your posting goes you and your brother have posted more in the last 24hrs than you have in the last 6 months!

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Originally Posted by orangedemon331

I may have missed all that, but does his car being down also keep him at the house, because my car has been down nearly all year but I was at every event to show my support, as far as your posting goes you and your brother have posted more in the last 24hrs than you have in the last 6 months!

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And?



Oh thats right, we are not "active" members:rolleyes: :lol:

Since I don't have a dog in the fight here and I don't know Scott......I'll give my opinion:

There are a lot of people that just lurk on this site (keep your eyes on who's online sometime) - I see nothing wrong with sitting in the background, gathering valued info - so what if they don't post more than once or twice. Some folks just let the track do their talking!

This whole dirty dozen is for folks to have fun and give a reason for everyone to get together. Hopefully we'll see people from all over the Nation get involved to!

In my opinion I would let Scott stay - he made the times, he has posted here, period.

But with that being said - he was broke for a while, did he back-up his times after the fix?

Is it true that the current #1 is also broke?

All of this for a really cool sticker and bragging rights, I'm loving it!

See you guys Saturday - let the ponys do the talking!

This brings to mind a need for clarification - what is classified as broke? As the car get faster the more often things break after each day or even run.

If there was a top fueley on-board (assuming of course it was streetable, tagged, blah, blah) would he be booted off the list after each run because they have to tear the motor apart and rebuild after each run? If that is the case he would never be on the list.

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Originally Posted by Black Horse

In my opinion I would let Scott stay - he made the times, he has posted here, period.

But with that being said - he was broke for a while, did he back-up his times after the fix?

Is it true that the current #1 is also broke?

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He never made a pass this year, untill he got his heads. He was never broke, DHL lost his heads and he had to fuck with them all summer to get reimbursed. Once he got the heads, 9.60's soon followed:bigthumb

:popcorn:

Coffee and SBZ, what a great rainy morning. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ackbar00

With the exception of this thread, mabey you have not noticed, but I dont post here much anymore;)

ANd mabey you missed the part where he said he got his car running like only 3 weeks ago?

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then Paul tell him to get to TS this week and back up his 9:60 or he is out ,I stuck up for you guys a few posts ago and now you say he just got his car runnin 3 weeks ago ??? you posted his times 2 months plus ago so unless he backs it up Saturday he has broke two rules and that just is not right .....

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Originally Posted by BUHBYY

then Paul tell him to get to TS this week and back up his 9:60 or he is out ,I stuck up for you guys a few posts ago and now you say he just got his car runnin 3 weeks ago ??? you posted his times 2 months plus ago so unless he backs it up Saturday he has broke two rules and that just is not right .....

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this is where i'm coming from, the more it goes, the deeper it gets

bottom line, he isn't a participating member, does that mean he couldn't be next year, no, not at all

but, for the guys that have been participating members and who's cars were together, he should not be on the list

next year, step up the participation a little, be a MEMBER, not someone who signed up to join a list,

i think it's too late in the year to go, oh yeah, i'll participate to be on the list

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Originally Posted by BUHBYY

then Paul tell him to get to TS this week and back up his 9:60 or he is out ,I stuck up for you guys a few posts ago and now you say he just got his car runnin 3 weeks ago ??? you posted his times 2 months plus ago so unless he backs it up Saturday he has broke two rules and that just is not right .....

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It is a figure of speech, god, do I have to spell out everything for you guys?

And Scott dont have to back up shit. The 9.60 was backed up the same day with a 9.75 or some shit like that. If he wants to go, more power to him, but to just appease you guys? Come on:lol:

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Originally Posted by beefcake

this is where i'm coming from, the more it goes, the deeper it gets

bottom line, he isn't a participating member, does that mean he couldn't be next year, no, not at all

but, for the guys that have been participating members and who's cars were together, he should not be on the list

next year, step up the participation a little, be a MEMBER, not someone who signed up to join a list,

i think it's too late in the year to go, oh yeah, i'll participate to be on the list

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So like I said, there now has to be a post count rule to be on the SBDD:rolleyes:

And Beefcake, what about Chuck?

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/member.php?u=1622

.15 post per day. I dont see you bitching and moaning about his perticipation on this site. I mean, GTTurbo DOES have more post:lol: Its because he is broke right now right? :rolleyes:

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Yep, model poster here, Better start bitching Beefcake....

OMG

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Beefcake, you have your work cut out for you.

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Originally Posted by Ackbar00

And Beefcake, what about Chuck?

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I am going to pipe in here. Chuck DOES show up to cruise-ins, Quaker Steak dinners, etc. quite often!

Earlier in the summer, he WON a race that quite a few SBZ members participated in.

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Dont know if I would want to keep Mike Bell. I mean, he is not an "Active" Poster in Beefcake expert judgement. And he is from Dayton to boot, so that is an automatic Kick off.

I remember posting the info (about the DD event)on StreetRacing Dayton(where Scott and Paul are active members) And I even mentioned the DD event over on Scotts very own post on Knights of Speed. I even posted it on Daytonstangboard. So him not knowing about the event is not a valid excuse. (Besides, he said his kid was sick)

Since you guys "dont post here very much" why are you still here?

"now you say he just got his car runnin 3 weeks ago ??? you posted his times 2 months plus ago so unless he backs it up Saturday he has broke two rules and that just is not right ....." Paul (Ackbar)has done this before. He is the one who slipped threw the cracks last year. He popped his head gaskets after his 10.84. He fixed his Stang and never backed it up nor told anyone he broke.
Now this year, when he blew his Shit apart, he made no mention of it to anyone here at SBZ. I asked him several times if he was still running. He never answered. Hell over on Daytonstang board he LIED about it, (saying he had issues with his altenator when he knew it was blown apart) It was only after I posted his pictures (from his Ghetto project on KOS) that he asked to be on the broken list. He still didnt say he broke. Ackbar should not be allowed to participate in the Dozen because he is not being honest towards fellow Stangbangerz.

As for Scott, noone is questioning his Stang nor what track it runs at. ( We have quite a few Dayton & Middletown guys that come to the evevts) The issue is He has not been an active member till he gets threatend off the Dozen. That looks like he is here to only be on the list and contribute nothing to the site.
An "honorable mention" should be made and he can be on that (IF he can back up his 9.60) If he has a geniune interest in SBZ, then he will post (valid posts not post whoring) and maybe bring his Stang to some events or even just show up. Then he can be eligible for the DD 2007.

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Originally Posted by Holly

I am going to pipe in here. Chuck DOES show up to cruise-ins, Quaker Steak dinners, etc. quite often!

Earlier in the summer, he WON a race that quite a few SBZ members participated in.

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But Holly, in Beefcakes own words:

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Originally Posted by beefcake

this is where i'm coming from, the more it goes, the deeper it gets

bottom line, he isn't a participating member, does that mean he couldn't be next year, no, not at all

but, for the guys that have been participating members and who's cars were together, he should not be on the list

next year, step up the participation a little, be a MEMBER, not someone who signed up to join a list,

i think it's too late in the year to go, oh yeah, i'll participate to be on the list

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I mean, we need to keep things fair and equal, right?

Hey Paul, ALL those guys, THEY SHOW UP TO SBZ EVENTS.

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Originally Posted by Ackbar00

And Beefcake, what about Chuck?

http://www.stangbangerz.com/forums/member.php?u=1622

.15 post per day. I dont see you bitching and moaning about his perticipation on this site. I mean, GTTurbo DOES have more post:lol: Its because he is broke right now right? :rolleyes:

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well, first off, chucks name wasn't brought up, had it been chucks, i would have researched it

2nd of all, i have personally seen chuck out this year participating

3rd, when chucks car broke, i believe it was on the way to a stangbangerz wing night to hang out with stangbangerz

and most of all, your math is no good, chuch has posted in 24 threads this year which isn't a ton, but it is more than 7 threads, 3 1/2 times as many, and it wasn't to gripe about a motor

my 5 year old does count to 7 before she gets to 24 lol :)

now, i never said there should be a post count, chuck would actually be a good example of someone who doesn't post much, but does make it out to sbz events and trys to be around the group once in a while

i came up with "my personal" opinion that gt should be removed from the list for 7 post for the year and 0 events shown up to

now it comes that his motor was broke until just recently anyway

i say take a poll