Got in a little bit of legal trouble...

did you say norwood? you done for the first 2 times you go to court, they are thieves there.

bout 15 years ago they game me some bs reckless op ticket pulling out of frisch's when i used to manage there they told me i pulled out too fast or some bull crap

so, i go to court, of course then they have to get the officer

so, i go back to court, tell them, yeah, i know i was speeding (on the lateral after leaving), i said it was clear, midnight, no other cars on the road, i admit speeding, but reckless op?

judge goes guilty? i'm standing there flabergasted, like wtf?

so, i talked to my divorce attorney at the time, she told me i could file an appeal and have it moved out of norwood to hamilton county, so i did that

i go to court, of course they have to get him again, lol, so between # 3 and 4 court appearance, i left a message for the officer, he called i asked him if we could maybe knock it down to speeding, he said yeah, (they used to eat free at frisch's all the time lol) and there ya go

Beef, sounds like broke Norwood already moved it downtown.........

I agree with Silver Bullet, call BMV and try and get your L's fixed before court date, most of the time you can plea out to other offences EX..speeding, wreckless, if you were also cited for being under suspension. Thats really all the courts want is you to be valid and have insurance...If you show to court with newly valid L's and proof of insurance on the day you got pulled over, Judge is happy...So bring copy of insurance.
If cop doesnt show to court, they will drop the speeding/wreckless opp, but will never drop the suspended license.

I would get a Lawyer, they wont charge that much for this kind of legal work, as its something most of them do day in and day out dealing with people's driving issues.

Also Norwood Cops dont HAVE to go to court for stuff like this as do Cincy P.D does, and HMSO.

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Originally Posted by angieriou

I agree with Silver Bullet, call BMV and try and get your L's fixed before court date, most of the time you can plea out to other offences EX..speeding, wreckless, if you were also cited for being under suspension. Thats really all the courts want is you to be valid and have insurance...If you show to court with newly valid L's and proof of insurance on the day you got pulled over, Judge is happy...So bring copy of insurance.
If cop doesnt show to court, they will drop the speeding/wreckless opp, but will never drop the suspended license.

I would get a Lawyer, they wont charge that much for this kind of legal work, as its something most of them do day in and day out dealing with people's driving issues.

Also Norwood Cops dont HAVE to go to court for stuff like this as do Cincy P.D does, and HMSO.

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Yea, I'm going down to 1000 Sycamore tomorrow, to get the release of forfeiture, so I can go to the DMV and get my license back. Court is on wednesday.

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Originally Posted by angieriou

Also Norwood Cops dont HAVE to go to court for stuff like this as do Cincy P.D does, and HMSO.

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Since when?

Since Norwood can't afford to pay the overtime :)

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Also Norwood Cops dont HAVE to go to court for stuff like this as do Cincy P.D does, and HMSO.
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if they get a subpoena they have to go they don't get a choice.

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Originally Posted by Black92LX

if they get a subpoena they have to go they don't get a choice.

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Most agencys dont get subpoenas, mainly in Hamilton CO, becase of case loads, they get notifed, which means its up to the Department to ensure the officers go.

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Originally Posted by angieriou

Most agencys dont get subpoenas, mainly in Hamilton CO, becase of case loads, they get notifed, which means its up to the Department to ensure the officers go.

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Sure in preliminaries but if it goes to a hearing where in EVERY charge even violations you have the right to face your accusor, which comes at a hearing or trial depandant.. The officer will be subpoenaed at one point or another. Then if you don't show you have to provide just cause as to why you weren't there and sorry but because I am not getting paid for it won't fly.

This is why contracts are good! All my off duty court (which is all since I am 2nd Shift) is overtime. And I get at least 2 hours no matter what even if I am only there for 5 minutes:bigthumb

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Originally Posted by Black92LX

Sure in preliminaries but if it goes to a hearing where in EVERY charge even violations you have the right to face your accusor, which comes at a hearing or trial depandant.. The officer will be subpoenaed at one point or another. Then if you don't show you have to provide just cause as to why you weren't there and sorry but because I am not getting paid for it won't fly.

This is why contracts are good! All my off duty court (which is all since I am 2nd Shift) is overtime. And I get at least 2 hours no matter what even if I am only there for 5 minutes:bigthumb

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I agree

If it is my day off... I get 3 hours ot., if I hold over from third shift, I get 5 hrs. OT! :bigthumb

Any info or an outcome?

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Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Any info or an outcome?

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I'm leaving in about two hours.

Well, not sure if its good news or not yet, but I paid my unpaid speeding ticket, got my license valid, and am going to the LIP class on december 12th, for my driving under suspension, and reckless op. After I complete the class, I will have to go back to court, and I'm not sure if I will get both reduced or maybe even dropped???

the suspension should be dropped, dunno about the reckless op.

Most judges are very harsh on driving under suspension if it's your first time and you try to get it fix. Lucky I got mine taken care of before court, didn't need no LIP :)

How did your case go? I hope well. I know this advice is after the fact but here I go anyway. I won't give you any more advice on the lawyer thing, you thankfully received plenty. But letting the officer search your car, bad move. I know you didn't have anything to hide but never allow anyone to search your vehicle or home without a search warrant. It is your right!! Being nice to the officer got you no where. Also, did he ask to search the vehicle before or after he gave you the citation? By law, they need to give you the citation and tell you that you're free to leave before requesting to search your vehicle. On the other hand, if they are going to tow your vehicle, they may do an inventory search of the car and anything they find is permitted as evidence in court. As a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you that searches such as this one produce lots of good evidence. It's a freeby, no PC (probable cause) required. The reason the officer must tell you that your free to go is so you don't have the fear of getting the book thrown at you by not being a nice guy and letting them search your car. It has been viewed in many courts, including Hamilton County, as a type of coercion. If the officer did not follow the rules for your stop and you haven't finished in court yet, please let your attorney know. Lastly, please don't misunderstand where I'm coming from on the search thing. I'm very pro law enforcement and I don't want criminals getting a free pass, but the law is the law. The deck is stacked in favor of the bad guys but the police need to be better and play by the rules.

I hope this helps you with your current problem or in the future.

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How did your case go? I hope well. I know this advice is after the fact but here I go anyway. I won't give you any more advice on the lawyer thing, you thankfully received plenty. But letting the officer search your car, bad move. I know you didn't have anything to hide but never allow anyone to search your vehicle or home without a search warrant. It is your right!! Being nice to the officer got you no where. Also, did he ask to search the vehicle before or after he gave you the citation? By law, they need to give you the citation and tell you that you're free to leave before requesting to search your vehicle. On the other hand, if they are going to tow your vehicle, they may do an inventory search of the car and anything they find is permitted as evidence in court. As a former law enforcement officer, I can tell you that searches such as this one produce lots of good evidence. It's a freeby, no PC (probable cause) required. The reason the officer must tell you that your free to go is so you don't have the fear of getting the book thrown at you by not being a nice guy and letting them search your car. It has been viewed in many courts, including Hamilton County, as a type of coercion. If the officer did not follow the rules for your stop and you haven't finished in court yet, please let your attorney know. Lastly, please don't misunderstand where I'm coming from on the search thing. I'm very pro law enforcement and I don't want criminals getting a free pass, but the law is the law. The deck is stacked in favor of the bad guys but the police need to be better and play by the rules.

I hope this helps you with your current problem or in the future.

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He asked to search my car, LONG before he gave me the citation. I'll see what happens on my next court date though, pretty much everything that could have gone in my favor, has.

Actually a PO only needs probable cause to search your vehicle not a warrant.

That is correct. I should not have stated only a warrant could be used. You need PC to obtain a warrant which in my opinion would be the best way to search a vehicle. As with a warrant, the officer can search for certain items related to a criminal offense he or she believes has been committed. If they don't have PC they can ask your permission to search the vehicle once you are free to go. I believe the big difference is officer's ability to search the vehicle for evidence related to specific criminal activity and where that evidence could actually be hidden as opposed to an open invitation to search every square inch of the vehicle when you give permission for the search.

I understand your point on that believe me. But if you have nothing to hide then I would be okay with giving the permission. Of course if I had something in the car then I wouldn't give permission. A lot of it depends on what your getting pulled over for. If you get pulled over for dui and you are they're going to search your car, period.

I would NEVER consent to a search. If a PO can say he has PC, prove it. If not, I have all day to wait for a warrent, drug dog, whatever. I will waste his time, as well as mine, just to see them let me go!

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Originally Posted by mustang8998

I would NEVER consent to a search. If a PO can say he has PC, prove it. If not, I have all day to wait for a warrent, drug dog, whatever. I will waste his time, as well as mine, just to see them let me go!

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Most PO are not trying to dick you over, they are just doing there job. But when I get pulled over now i can say no. but if it is raining I will try and park myself under somthing and him in the rain.

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Originally Posted by mustang8998

I would NEVER consent to a search. If a PO can say he has PC, prove it. If not, I have all day to wait for a warrent, drug dog, whatever. I will waste his time, as well as mine, just to see them let me go!

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I was trying to be a good citizen, and be as cooperative as possible. Didn't that work out well....:lol:

Update: Went to my "License Intervention Program" today, drove downtown to the court house, walked into Rm. 167, signed in, and waited for about 10 minutes. The lady looked me up in the system, called me up to the counter, saw that I validated my license and got everything current, and told me that they would recomend everything be dismissed. I scheduled my final court date for the 19th at 2. That was it.

Not that I'm complaining about anything, but I had just assumed it was going to be an all day class or something. I took a vacation day for nothing!

take the rest of the day and enjoy it at home.

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take the rest of the day and enjoy it at home.

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I wish, I was back at work at 10:30....:HYF:

be happy, it could be worse.

Glad to hear everything is following into place..... take the time and work on that car! lol

Wreckless Operation is alot better than an Driving Under Suspension. The Cop Could have given you a DUS. That would not be good. At least in court you can defend a Wreckless operation ticket, A DUS ticket is alot harder to get out of. I personnal think you are very lucky. I read in a post about Norwood, Did you get the speeding ticket there. If you did what was the Officers name?

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Wreckless Operation is alot better than an Driving Under Suspension. The Cop Could have given you a DUS. That would not be good. At least in court you can defend a Wreckless operation ticket, A DUS ticket is alot harder to get out of. I personnal think you are very lucky. I read in a post about Norwood, Did you get the speeding ticket there. If you did what was the Officers name?

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I got both a wreckless op and a driving under suspension. I can't remember the officers name, I'll check out the ticket when I get home and PM you.

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Originally Posted by Black92LX

There should be a number on the ticket. But actually I am going to have to rephrase it. You got pulled over in norwood so it's not prosecuted the same they have a bench trial for tickets if i remember correctly. Call the number on the ticket they should be able to tell you for sure. Before you get an attorney try to get it reduced yourself. All they can do is say no but if they say yes you are not out attorney fees.

As for getting arrested people get arrested for wreckless almost every time I write it. But in your case I don't think I would have written you for wreckless. 20 mph is excessive but I wouldn't have written you for wreckless unless there is something else.
Though I would have arrested you for operating on a suspended license. Now let me explain why and you can thank your government for this.
Thanks to the HUGE influx in our illegal population there are many many people driving without a license. So now I just have to arrest them all because If I cut anyone a break the people who love the illegals will come back and say I only arrest hispanics for driving without a license. So then they bring the race card into things. Yet it has nothing do do with race it is srtictly that they are illegal could care less where they are from or what color they are, So I have a arrest everyone with out a license to not get termed a racist in court.

Why because people who are here illegally have no reason to go to court or pay their fines. So why write them a citation if they are just going to throw it away or use another false name which is probably what they gave me anyway since they have no documentation. So the best punishment is for them to go to jail. Sadly in our society so many people want to give illegals a chance because they are just trying to make a better life for their families.
BULLSHIT!!!! Nothing but bulshit they are more than welcome to come here legally like millions of other people have.
Sorry I will get off my soapbox now.

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I recently wrote an op ed about this problem. I was in court to provide proof of insurance that I didn't have at the time of my traffic stop, and here's what really got under my skin. All the non-English speakers get bumped to the front of the line even ahead of the people who've paid for lawyers. So, court provided translation I assume is covered by the "court costs" that we all pay.... but all don't need the translator. So one by one the non-English speakers file to the front of the courtroom where the judge never asks legal status, but asks, "Can you get a license?" The answer was always no and the judge just nodded knowingly.

I completely agree with the clear distinction between legal and illegal, this is not an issue about race (as so many like to accuse) but about legal status. I don't care what flavor someone is, if they're illegal they need to go home! It just so happens that because we share such a large unprotected border with Mexico, AND Mexico's economy relies on the export of their most poor and uneducated to the US, that hispanics are the largest problem. As to your point of them coming here to make a better life, yes this is true sometimes, however for many that is just not the case. Check this out...

1/2 of California's prison population is made up of illegals
While illegals account for 3% of our population, they make up 17% of the federal prison population
In 2003 more than 270,000 illegal aliens served time
From 1995-2000 INS released 35,000 illegals instead of deporting them. 11,000 later committed serious crimes including 98 murders, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings.

Enough is enough already.

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Originally Posted by BOOSTGLI

Wreckless Operation is alot better than an Driving Under Suspension. The Cop Could have given you a DUS. That would not be good. At least in court you can defend a Wreckless operation ticket, A DUS ticket is alot harder to get out of. I personnal think you are very lucky. I read in a post about Norwood, Did you get the speeding ticket there. If you did what was the Officers name?

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I don't know about in Ohio, but in Kentucky as long as you've gotten your license back by the time you get to court they reduce it to No Ops in Possession which is a nominal fee in comparison and requires no further suspension. However, they generally won't do this if the suspension was due to DUI convictions.

his DUS will be dropped, like mine was, the WreckOp is another story.

I had mine corrected before showing up for first court hearing, no need for LIP, nothing prior on my record, case dismissed.

About the spanish speaking needing translator.......cost me extra 45 minutes, which meant 1/2 my route for that day. Oh well, did pay any court costs.

Went to my final court day, and everything got dismissed! Didn't even have to pay court costs!

I wouldn't mind going down there one day, just to sit and listen to some of those idiots try and argue with the judge. It was so hard not to just bust out laughing, several different times.

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Went to my final court day, and everything got dismissed! Didn't even have to pay court costs!

I wouldn't mind going down there one day, just to sit and listen to some of those idiots try and argue with the judge. It was so hard not to just bust out laughing, several different times.

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You told them you knew Larry Barnett didn't you...:lol::lol:

glad to here it went well.

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Originally Posted by 5.0calypso93lx

Went to my final court day, and everything got dismissed! Didn't even have to pay court costs!

I wouldn't mind going down there one day, just to sit and listen to some of those idiots try and argue with the judge. It was so hard not to just bust out laughing, several different times.

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Glad to see all went well for ya!

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You told them you knew Larry Barnett didn't you...:lol::lol:

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They would have thrown me in jail instantly if I would have said that! :lol:

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Glad to see all went well for ya!

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Thanks man

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Went to my final court day, and everything got dismissed! Didn't even have to pay court costs!

I wouldn't mind going down there one day, just to sit and listen to some of those idiots try and argue with the judge. It was so hard not to just bust out laughing, several different times.

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when I had to goto Sharonville for DUS (all dropped) it was funny to listen to excuses.

Like the woman trying to explain why she was doing 75 on 125.....judge had had snough from her

"Miss, you understand that NO WHERE IN OHIO is the speed limit above 65 mph?"

Nice court costs and hefty fine. I learned when I was 18 be straight with the judge, he/she knows when your lying and will SCREW YOUR DAY UP BADLY!

Great to see everything turn out so well!!