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See the issue is,I can throw a stroked windsor in my car and throw enough spray at it to put me in the low whatever the hell number I want.As long as I post a number Im good.But Im sure One or more of my rods will make a window in the block and there for Im broke.But since I posted that one number,Im at the top of the list with a busted ass car.That would not be cool for every one else.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcat
As far as knowing when to lift....Building a 10 sec car and a 9sec car in the past three years has taught me when to lift. (just making referance to some past good times) I wasn't clear on when you were and were not aloud to check plugs. At a shoot out, OK. But if we do the no hood lift rule then why not three back to back passes w/o cool down time and then avg. the three runs like they do in True Street. OR just leave the rules alone and just determine what declares BROKE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick93coupe
BINGO! We have a winner. Seems most are more interested in trying to take something away from someone than just saying good job and giving them their earned spot on the DD. A bent header tube, a blown head gasket, broken diff., whatever, shouldn't cause you to lose your place on the dozen. You lose your spot by someone going quicker than you. Broke should mean catastrophic failure if anything, still don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcat
Agree:bigthumbQuote:
Originally Posted by Kwik92GT
If it works like that im building a stroker with enough spray for 9 cars.I just hope it will last 1320 feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwik92GT
if you got the BALLS to do it , then you deserve it. those must be some great stickersQuote:
Originally Posted by facemelter71
I have given this some serious thought and here are my proposals:
1) Any day or location is eligible (yes even KK) - you can make your best time at Gainesville if you want, but you still have to drive the car to a SBZ event.
2) To be counted you must drive the car the last 5 miles to the track and back (if you trailer, you drop the car 5 miles away and drive in, and drive out go 5 miles and load back up. This would take care of determining who has a street car and who is broken.
(Car could be driven on street tires and street set-up and changed to race mode at the track - I'm sure another SBZer would be more than glad to help you fetch the trailer).
3) You still need another SBZer to witness your run(s) and your drive in and out.
4) You lie - Goodbye - permanent exclusion from the list and future lists.
5) You need to attend and DRIVE the car to any one or more ORGANIZED SBZ events.(Cruise-in, Dyno-Day, Track day, etc.)
6) You make ANY mechanical repairs, alterations or improvements that would change the potential ET (make it quicker), you are off the list until you run again.
Other thoughts:
a) Perhaps a time cannot be listed unless you run the same number (or within 10%) twice on two SEPARATE occasions (two runs the same day would not count).
Makes you work for it, makes it fair, and should knock out some of the potential questioning. What do you think?
Yup that's all everyone is doing this for is a sticker :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcat
Im just makin a statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcat
If some LR throws a SHIT load of Boost or NOS at a Stock motor and runs just ONE TIME and their ET gets them on the list...THATS OK with you? How is that justified to all the other Dozen members?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwik92GT
I can see a conversation at a local cruise in....
"I see you have a DD sticker on your car. Pretty cool"
Thanks
"So I hear all you have to do is run ONE TIME and put up a low ET and your on"
Yeah, The DD kinda lost its luster when they allowed One Hit wonders.
"Hell any LR can throw a shit load of NOS on a motor and survive one round."
Sorry guy, I will fight to keep one hit wonders off the list.
lets say a "guy" makes a 7.50 pass first day of the year first pass on a new car, then never makes another pass all season , but drives it to the track every week and drives it to everysingle function! then shows up at your cruise in and has the same conversation. but ends the conversation with" i did what i HAD to do "
silly cenerio's can be thrown up all day...it doesnt change the fact that , fast guy's will stay fast guy's, and will make tons of passes to try to be the faster guy. and sometimes shit breaks..the top 6 dd guys hasnt changed much in the past 3 years..
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Originally Posted by Maximus
NHRA, IHRA, NMRA, Etc.... All have paid and volunteer tech people, And yet every year you read multiple stories of " So and so got caught running nitrous", Or " Jim Bob had bigger valves and ported heads".. And think how mny didn't get caught ?? So how are a bunch of guys who are out for a sticker going to be able to tech themselves and determine who is broke, Who is cheating, Who did or didn't make it to an event ???
I think ONE person should be in charge and WHAT THEY SAY GOES!!!!!
This person would determine who is broke and who isn't... You want to be on the dozen ?? These are the rules.. Don't like it ?? Don't be on the list.. Person in charge determines your broke... Your BROKE!!! You start whining and bitching about being determined broke, Or your thoughts on who is broke... Your off the list.!!!
Plain and Simple....
Just my $.02..
heres my .02 this is not a national event, it should be simple like it has been(or supposed to be)! if you have to cheat your friends and fellow racers to get a damn sticker then you are BROKE(in the head) and shouldn't be on the boards or at any events anyway!!! yes a lot of people want a DD stricker, I know I do, not because I'm better than anyone, but because of what it stands for to me. it's a honor to be part of what vinny started so all that said! if there is to be rule changes then how about this
I think that the top 15 or 20 from this year get together and go over the rules and let them hash out the 09 DD setup!
there has been alot of people comning up with different formats which is nice to think about but, with the site as big as it is now there is no way to please everyone so leave it to the the DD list and contenders for list at the end of each season to decide how the next year will be handled!!!!
Yeah but you told me to give you my info and you would post it up...But then I got told to get lost.....I'm sure If I can trust you anymore........LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Horse
Chad393na puts an auto back in it (eventually), sprays the balls off it, goes 9.??, then drives it 50 miles home on the slicks he drove to the track on:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON408
HELL YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chad393na
Rick all I can say to that is when mine let go this year there was absolutely no warning at all. No noise, no detination, nothing. And it was going to be the best pass of the year based on the et and mph when it crossed the finish line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick93coupe
I like the rules the way they are, the only thing I dont like is someone running there car all year and having a catostophic failure near the end of the year and not having time or money left to fix it. I of course am a little biased as this happened to me. If I would have just let my car sit the whole rest of the year I would be 9th on the list now. Lets please keep this simple and fun.
Umm dont forget, Rob@RRC new motor W/ big turbo low 8's ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON408
lol didnt you say small turboQuote:
Originally Posted by Rob@RRC
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Originally Posted by 1992MustangDW
forgot the other bbf 545 with a stage or two! 8's or bust!
If your shit is fast you need to work on it . I change plugs every 2 passes . This is the dozen not true street . True street is a race and the dozen is all year . I guess you cant change the oil all year or its broke or put air in your tires or its broke . The rules are fine the way they are just try to get everyone to more shootouts . If its not broke dont fix it . No matter what rules you come up with fast guys will still be fast !!!! you can add all kind of rules trying to get slower guys on the list but all that does is muddy it up With all the drama it aready starting not to be worth it .[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON408
Exactly:yup:
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Originally Posted by chad393na
I see your point, but I have what I consider to be a fast street car and I run the same plugs I put in 3 years ago. I've done nothing to the car but feed it gas, tires and oil.
I consider my car a fast street car, not a streetable drag car. It's reliable and doesn't break. I drive it to the track on the tires I run on, I also drive it on the street on the same tires. It runs on pump gas. I can run the same time from a stoplight as I can at the track. No need to switch wheels and tires, open/heat a bottle, or add race fuel to the tank. Nothing on the street yet has shown me it's taillights.
To me, that's what Vinny was looking for in a DD car. Not a car that rides around in a trailer, needs race gas, and runs the 1/4 on wheels/tires that'd fail on the street.
My .02. Not that my car will ever be fast enough to be on the list anyways. You will see it on the street though- if so, bring it. :)
Having a fast everyday driver is bad ass !!!!!!!!!! Everyone builds there cars the way they like some want air condtion and some dont care as long as its fast .nothing wrong with eithier the faster you go the more race car parts you need . I change my plugs every 2 passes for tunning resons ( need a clean plug to make a change ) Now i ran the same set half a year last year just was not playing with the tune . and when on the street it loads up so i change them often .And i run the same tires on the street as i do at the track and my car hooks on the street when i need it to :D Its all about the fun and hanging out with friend . thats what vinny wanted dont lose sight of that !! ps NUMBER 3 FOUR YEARS IN A ROW . WOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man i am relly going to have to spray it next year to keep my number 3 spot
Congrats, sounds like you have a fun car, but not everyone shares your philosophy. I like cars that are barely streetable, Big hulking,nasty ass, knuckle dragging,street cars. Many people like to say"that's not a street car", what they mean is, "That's not MY idea of a street car". If you can drive it on the street, it's a street car.Quote:
Originally Posted by IWRBB
As far as your opinion of what Vinny wanted, look at what he built, Much more of a knuckle dragger than grocery getter.
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Originally Posted by ibstrokin
:lol: Good One Brian !!! :lol:
[, Big hulking,nasty ass, knuckle dragging,street cars.
Man i want one of those !!!!!!!!!!!:bigthumb AND THEN I WANT TO PUT ANOTHER KIT ON IT :lol:
Is ths what your talking about Brian ?? LMAO
http://www.hutchtrans.com/millanridealong.wmv
You guys know what I'm getting at though. *Some* of the faster cars are friggin trailer queens.
That's my point, *some* of the cars aren't taken to the store, or anywhere else besides TS or EW in a trailer.Quote:
As far as your opinion of what Vinny wanted, look at what he built, Much more of a knuckle dragger than grocery getter.
Some cars can run the same tires, wheels, fuel, etc outside the track, and to me that is bad ass.
first is this for street cars. if it is a street car thing i need the defintion of a street car. do 5 gallon fuel cells no legal tags no insurance and trailer queens mean its a street car. my thought was a street car got drove on the street.
I have seen 10 of the 12 driving down the street and highway. So that rules out trailer queens. Now on T&T nights, I have seen them on trailers. Hell I trailer mine when going to the track. I HATE waiting on a tow truck or someone to bring me a trailer when I break something.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by IWRBB
Hey another first time poster. NO those ideas are not a street car.Quote:
Originally Posted by fasthawk
craig dont kid yourshelf you & me both no what a real street car is not a race that can be driven on the street that they have to change tires , mufflers ,plugs , jets, or in this case lap top settings you can,heck some dont have both sets in the front. you can not win this argument because i have been in this game way to long.i just need to no if this is for race cars or street cars or is for your guys rules for street cars because everyone on here knows what a real street car is they ust dont want to admit it
not this year you have'nt.. face it the "rules" have really been laxed this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus
i would also be willing to bet most of the top 6 are not even nhra/ihra legal. i know thats not a requirement, but if the track says you cant make another pass is that the same as being broke?
i would love to see some comp licenses!
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Originally Posted by fasthawk
So changing tires at the track defines a race car?? Dont think so. Maggie Palmers Stang runs 13's on Futura radials, on slicks she runs bottom 12's. She drives (<~~Key word there) her Stang back and forth to work. Oh yeah, she drives it to the track and switches tires there. So hows that a Race car?? Pssst, it has ICE COLD AC also.:) Hell, look at Shannons Stang, his wife drives it to work also! Those are definately "street" cars.
Please fill me in on who you are, since you know who I am, it would be a courtesy to know who you are. If you would like to remain anonymous to the board, PM me.
Thanks:)
At some tracks they are lax on their liscense requirments. Hell, if TT (Twisted Twins) suspension was right, it would be easily in the 9s. My NHRA liscense is expired. I even told dude that, but the track let me run anyway. So whats your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcat
Everyone copmpeting in the Dozen has to have another rule now?? Its not our responsibilty to check for liscenes.
Again, Please fill me in on who you are, since you know who I am, it would be a courtesy to know who you are. If you would like to remain anonymous to the board, PM me.
Thanks:)
good for them that they drive them that is a street car . but they are not a part of the dd. like i asked is that for street cars or race cars that can be driven on the street if they had to.i no there are guys from all over area ibeen going to middletown since they used to street race in front hills but i have never seen them leave middletown with there cars.no i am not calling out any group of cars just a example.
This is for Street cars.
Shannon is on the list, Kennebellcobra
ONCE again....Who are you?
you still have not answer my ?, is this for street cars or race cars. ihave asked this ? for a number of years.
Read above in my last post. Now who are you?<~~Craig
off to thanksgiving dinner now. hope everyone has a happy & safe thanksgiving.
Do you by chance have a black GNX with a small block ???