Legislative Day in Columbus for OFCC

Going to Columbus to talk to our representatives with OFCC march 21 and 22. Wish us luck.
Talking about stand your ground and notification etc.
Wasn't happy about last year... Only thing decent we got was being able to leave a weapon in car when on school property.
That goes into effect sometime this month..
Yes that is big.... but with republicans in charge we should be getting a lot of things changed. Notification is a biggy with me..
The wording... what is "promptly" 10 seconds ?? 1 minute??


Steve

Think of us today. 3 groups, our group sees 12 legislators today and 8 tomorrow!

Steve

Good Luck Steve ...

Give Em Hell !!!

Good luck!!!

Good luck!

Looks like we are getting started, have someone to sponsor a stand your ground bill..
or as we call it "A remove duty to retreat" and a bill I think hb142 ? was introduced today to
get rid of notification..... ( it was already in the works)
We have 3 teams seeing people so we will probably will met 50 people or so.

Talking to more tomorrow!!

Some are gun-ho but most are just so so about guns.
Talked to a freshman senator that was a "seal" pretty impressive... Had a KNIFE on his desk he called it a letter breacher.
(letter opener). And a black-power pistol on his wall, pretty neat guy.
Things are looking good but who knows. I would say about 80% are neutral about guns and 20% good guys.
The neutrals will probably vote with us with a push.... Telephone calls, e-mails etc.

Steve

Well it's starting... Notification

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legisl ... 132-HB-142

^^^ Just emailed my local state rep.

Outside of your dwelling, I oppose "stand your ground' laws. It hasn't worked well in Florida and is an inducement for individuals with poor impulse control to use deadly force.

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/

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Originally Posted by 04 Venom

Outside of your dwelling, I oppose "stand your ground' laws. It hasn't worked well in Florida and is an inducement for individuals with poor impulse control to use deadly force.

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/

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Write your state rep in Florida about it.

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Originally Posted by redfirepearlgt

Write your state rep in Florida about it.

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That got a polite "thanks for your inquiry" and a request for a donation to carry on "important work that lies ahead".

Seriously, our state legislature is bat shit crazy. Voters have tried to rein them in with constitutional amendments and ballot initiatives that have been approved, but the legislature routinely ignores the voters' desires.

The courts have found the legislature in violation of the anti-gerrymanding ballot initiative. What did the legislature do--they refused to act and the court had to re-draw several districts. This session, the legislature will likely pass laws imposing term limits on judges to retaliate. Crazy.

Love living in Florida, but the Ohio legislature is a paragon of virtue in comparison.

I would then take that as one of two ways. A) You haven't been a resident long enough or are rich enough for him to care about, or B) Your opinion on the subject isn't the consensus view of his constituency.

Ms. Darla IMO is leaving out every case in Florida in which someone was able to actively protect their property or their loved ones on this topic. Had she shown in her article all of the data and not just the extremes, and the data would have shown in favor of your view I could have accepted the article as being legitimate. As I see it, the article is her biased view of the topic which appealed to your opinion. IN the article she references a case of a drug dealer getting off for shooting someone in self defense. What she doesn't expound upon is what the circumstances were which led to his acquittal. For all we know he may have been a former convicted drug dealer who has gone the way of legit, and in a case of self defense shot and killed a man threatening him with a weapon.

We all are aware of the slickness of defense attorneys in getting people off on technicalities. We further have a basic comprehension of the hoops cops have to jump through to ensure proper procedure is followed in the investigation, apprehension, and processing of felons just to ensure they do get convicted and not released on a technicality. We are also aware of sloppy police work that has led to acquittals in which people would have otherwise been convicted. There is a plethora of reasons why Darla's examples may have been acquitted for their actions that she is not fully divulging in order to make a case. So based solely on that article I am not convinced of anything other than she has leftist view on the topic.

Here are a couple things we are trying to get changed.

Castle doctrine uses a preponderance of evidence as the standard on if you can be prosecuted. As I understand it, I am not a lawyer... that means the prosecutor has to think he has a 51% chance of winning against you. All other states (yes all of the other states) use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard, which is 90% chance of winning. I want a 90% chance of not being prosecuted. Now remember the Castle Doctrine is only good in your home or car.. basically. We think this is a no brainer .. Example someone breaks into your house and you use force.... and admit to police you shot the person ... you have admitted to a crime.... I want the heavy burden of proof on them.

On stand your ground we are asking for the duty to retreat to be eliminated. This will be the fight... it will be called Removal of duty to retreat, probably. I think Senator Hoagland will get this written and fight this for us..Which leaves
1: Defendant Is Not At Fault First
2: Reasonable and Honest Belief of Danger
before you can use force/defend yourself

The following is stolen from :

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/F...nual-%28PDF%29

Self-Defense Depending on the specific facts of the situation, an accused person may claim that use of deadly force was justified to excuse his actions, which would otherwise be a crime. Self-defense or the defense of another is an affirmative defense that an accused may assert against a criminal charge for an assault or homicide offense.The term “affirmative defense” means the accused, not the prosecutor, must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he acted in self-defense or in defense of another. In other words, the defendant must prove that it is more probable than not that his use of deadly force was necessary due to the circumstances of the situation.Whether this affirmative defense applies to the situation or whether it will likely succeed against criminal charges depends heavily on the specific facts and circumstances of each situation. The Ohio Supreme Court has explained that a defendant must prove three conditions to establish that he acted in defense of himself or another.

Condition 1: Defendant Is Not At FaultFirst, the defendant must prove that he was not at fault for creating the situation. The defendant cannot be the first aggressor or initiator.However, in proving the victim’s fault, a defendant cannot point to other unrelated situations in which the victim was the aggressor.Remember, the focus is on the specific facts of the situation at hand.If you escalate a confrontation by throwing the first punch, attacking,or drawing your handgun, you are the aggressor. Most likely in this situation, you cannot legitimately claim self-defense nor would you likely succeed in proving your affirmative defense.

Condition 2: Reasonable and Honest Belief of Danger Second, the defendant must prove that, at the time, he had a real belief that he was in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm and that his use of deadly force was the only way to escape that danger. Bear in mind that deadly force may only be used toprotect against serious bodily harm or death. The key word is “serious.”In deciding whether the bodily harm was serious, the judge or jury can consider how the victim attacked the defendant, any weapon the victim had, and how he used it against the defendant. Minor bruises or bumps from a scuffle probably do not meet the legal definition of “serious.” In court cases, rape has been determined to be serious bodily harm, as has being attacked with scissors. Serious bodily harm also may result from being struck with an object that can cause damage, such as a baseball bat or a wooden club.The defendant’s belief that he is in immediate serious danger is important. The defendant’s belief must be reasonable, not purely speculative. In deciding if the belief was reasonable and honest, the judge or jury will envision themselves standing in the defendant’s shoes and consider his physical characteristics, emotional state,mental status, and knowledge; the victim’s actions and words;and all other facts regarding the encounter. The victim must have acted in a threatening manner. Words alone, regardless of how abusive or provoking, or threats of future harm (“I’m going to kill you tomorrow”) do not justify the use of deadly force.

Condition 3: Duty to Retreat A defendant must show that he did not have a duty to retreat or avoid the danger. A person must retreat or avoid danger by leaving or voicing his intention to leave and ending his participation in the confrontation.If one person retreats and the other continues to fight, the person who left the confrontation may later be justified in using deadly force when he can prove all three conditions of self-defense existed. You should always try to retreat from a confrontation before using deadly force if retreating does not endanger yourself or others. means to escape the other person’s attack and you reasonably,honestly believe that you are about to be killed or receive serious bodily harm, you may be able to use deadly force if that is the only way for you to escape that danger.


Steve

First hearing for change of notification law today at 4pm at the State House... Going up to sit and watch the first reading of HB 142 Duty to Inform

Thanks for the update Steve. Good 411 in post 13. Thanks.