Ohio issues record number of concealed carry licenses

[Pops Fun]

Would like to know the total since 2004

Ohio issues record number of concealed carry licenses

http://www.13abc.com/story/24861003/...carry-licenses

[ibstrokin]

An armed society is a polite society.

[Rick93coupe]

An armed society is a polite society.

QFT

[svtfox]

i received mine in 13

[89notch]

I forgot to renew my Ohio license last year. I need to do that to add a few more states than I get with my Florida. Anyone know what the best combinations of licenses to get the most states?

[Walter]

The Utah permit is a nice addition.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html

One thing to not is that Alabama now accepts all other states. This is nice for Ohioans with one CCW when travelling south, Gulf, panhandle etc...

[Rick93coupe]

It bothers me that you can't get a permit that allows you to carry wherever you travel, without having to get multiple permits. A background check is a background check right?

[jeep45238]

No, since different states treat things different. For example, as of right now Ohio will only recognize states that have traning prior to issue, and this is the basis of current reciprocity.

That is currently under works to get changed.

[redfirepearlgt]

It bothers me that you can't get a permit that allows you to carry wherever you travel, without having to get multiple permits. A background check is a background check right?

I believe that some states require more training than the course offers in Ohio while others use it to generate revenue. But yes you are correct a background check is a background check.

[Rick93coupe]

I believe that some states require more training than the course offers in Ohio while others use it to generate revenue. But yes you are correct a background check is a background check.

I hadn't considered class room or range time, good call.

[Pops Fun]

Hi
If HB203 passed the Senate this year as written, it will cut Ohio's training time and make reciprocity much better, if a state recognizes out license then we will recognize there.s the Attorney general will have no say. It will also make our background check a NICS check which will help with Texas and some other states.
http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses130/h0203-i-130.pdf
I was at the State house last week talking with Senators and there aides about this bill with about 20 other like minded people....


the State House is beautiful if you get up there take a look.

[05yellowgt]

Hi
If HB203 passed the Senate this year as written, it will cut Ohio's training time and make reciprocity much better, if a state recognizes out license then we will recognize there.s the Attorney general will have no say. It will also make our background check a NICS check which will help with Texas and some other states.
http://www.lsc.state.oh.us/analyses130/h0203-i-130.pdf
I was at the State house last week talking with Senators and there aides about this bill with about 20 other like minded people....


the State House is beautiful if you get up there take a look.

Very cool that you are actively involved in the process. I personally don't care for that bill though. Lowering the training requirements is not a good idea IMO. When I took my CCW class last spring, nearly half of the people in the class had never even held a gun before, let alone fire one. I believe that the more responsible and trained gun owners there are out there the better, but training is key.

If I were King of Ohio, I would require a 4 hour gun intro class and test, a 4 hour basic firearm introduction live fire range class, a 4 hour CCW class and test, and a 4 hour CCW proficiency live fire test. The CCW live fire test would be a lot more than what they require now. You'd need to show you can hit a target standing, crouching, hiding behind a barrier, etc. I'd even consider throwing in real life simulation drill where you'd be confronted with a random scenario and see if you were correct in judging whether or not to use your firearm or not. Things like having a woman's purse snatched, having someone come around the corner wielding a knife, or bat, being held up at gunpoint etc., getting confronted in a dark area by someone who you can't see fully do to shadows that appears to be holding a dangerous object etc.

[Pops Fun]

Personally glad you're not king!!

You realize that anyone in Ohio can carry a gun right?? Just not concealed, outside carry has been legal since the state was incorporated/made whatever they do.

So states like Indiana, Alaska and several others that require no test....
What, they shouldn't be allowed to carry in Ohio, maybe you shouldn't drive through there, they have people with firearms and no training..??

Only the physically fit should get licensed?? Doctors cert. next?? I am 67 yrs old (well next month) and don't kneel/bend without pain any more, maybe only people under 50yr. old???

Personally ... it up to the individual to continue his firearms education.... A lot like a drivers license, just because you pass the test doesn't make you a responsible driver, years of practice...

By the way I go to TDI every couple years and move and shoot, not much kneeling going on there and have repeated the Ohio Concealed carry class again. Also have Utah license, more training. You can go as often as you desire.

Just for the record it's not a CCW, not for weapons at all. Can't carry a knife using it.... it's a License to carry a concealed handgun.

Please take the time to consider going to Ohioians for concealed carry forum to keep up with what is happening with concealed carry, very informative. http://www.ohioccwforums.org/

Anyway I could go on but maybe you better understand where I'm coming from, I hope.


Anyway stepping down off soap box.

[05yellowgt]

I'm very much on your side and I make it a point to continue to stay up to date on the latest ORC regarding firearms rights and regulations. I opened carried before getting my CCW license last year. I agree with everything you said, but there is a problem that you and I and every other responsible gun owner has that threatens ALL of our rights.

That problem is the irresponsible gun owner. It is the irresponsible owner who leaves their weapon unsecured and a child gets their hands on it and shoots themselves or someone else that puts our rights in danger. It is the irresponsible owner who shoots a child who is trying to get help after being involved in a car accident that puts our rights in danger. it is the irresponsible owner that shoots a teenager over loud music that puts our rights in danger.

I feel the only hope to maintain our rights is to put into place regulations that may seem like a pain in the ass, but it might be our only chance of being able to continuing to enjoy our right to bear arms.

[05yellowgt]

I'm very much on your side and I make it a point to continue to stay up to date on the latest ORC regarding firearms rights and regulations. I opened carried before getting my CCW license last year. I agree with everything you said, but there is a problem that you and I and every other responsible gun owner has that threatens ALL of our rights.

That problem is the irresponsible gun owner. It is the irresponsible owner who leaves their weapon unsecured and a child gets their hands on it and shoots themselves or someone else that puts our rights in danger. It is the irresponsible owner who shoots a child who is trying to get help after being involved in a car accident that puts our rights in danger. it is the irresponsible owner that shoots a teenager over loud music that puts our rights in danger.

I feel the only hope to maintain our rights is to put into place regulations that may seem like a pain in the ass, but it might be our only chance of being able to continuing to enjoy our right to bear arms.

[Pops Fun]

Hi
Actually no one knows what the law will look like when passed.. There will be compromises..

I also believe responsible people are a problem certainly.
I believe that only .01% of concealed carriers have had there license revoked. There are around 430,000 of us in Ohio

(Disclaimer... I respect the police, but they are human...)
The Officer that shoots a child answering the door with a Wii, or shooting a vet reaching for his cane contributes to this problem also, not only people with there concealed carry. Actually there is a study out comparing police to concealed carry people. I believe it is the Lott study, I haven't read it .. only been told about it.. I will see if I can find it...

Steve

[jeep45238]

Putting regulations on rights inherintly makes them no longer rights.

[Rick93coupe]

Puttring regulations on rights inherintly makes them no longer rights.

Well said.

[05yellowgt]

Putting regulations on rights inherintly makes them no longer rights.

Is the right to vote not a right unless we let anyone vote without proving who they are, if they are registered, or are even a citizen of this Country? I'd argue that voting is in fact a right, but you should be able to provide a simple form of government ID to prove who you are at a polling place. I also believe that if you care so much about your right to vote that you can cast your vote ON ELECTION day and there shouldn't be eleventeen different early voting days. Can't make it to vote on election day, mail in an absentee ballot.

I'm as pro-gun rights as they come, but we can't continue to have the right to bear arms without reasonable parameters in which to do so. Convicted felons should never have a gun. Someone without the proper training should never have a gun. A person who cannot properly secure their gun, should never own one. Training should be mandatory as well as being able to show basic proficiency. Background checks shouldn't be needed for every firearms sale. You should be able to apply for a gun license of sort. It would be similar to applying for a passport, except you go through the same background check that you do today whenever you make a purchase through an FFL. That license would be required to be shown for every transaction, and tied to a national database of criminal and mental heath records. If you commit a crime, or otherwise become ineligible to continue to own firearms then you will be required to sell or give away your weapons. There wouldn't be any records of what guns, or how many guns you own, just that you have passed a national background check. It would help to shut up the gun nuts and make it easier for us to transact purchases at the same time as well as likely be cheaper.

[jeep45238]

Is the right to vote not a right unless we let anyone vote without proving who they are, if they are registered, or are even a citizen of this Country? I'd argue that voting is in fact a right, but you should be able to provide a simple form of government ID to prove who you are at a polling place. I also believe that if you care so much about your right to vote that you can cast your vote ON ELECTION day and there shouldn't be eleventeen different early voting days. Can't make it to vote on election day, mail in an absentee ballot.

I'm as pro-gun rights as they come, but we can't continue to have the right to bear arms without reasonable parameters in which to do so. Convicted felons should never have a gun. Someone without the proper training should never have a gun. A person who cannot properly secure their gun, should never own one. Training should be mandatory as well as being able to show basic proficiency. Background checks shouldn't be needed for every firearms sale. You should be able to apply for a gun license of sort. It would be similar to applying for a passport, except you go through the same background check that you do today whenever you make a purchase through an FFL. That license would be required to be shown for every transaction, and tied to a national database of criminal and mental heath records. If you commit a crime, or otherwise become ineligible to continue to own firearms then you will be required to sell or give away your weapons. There wouldn't be any records of what guns, or how many guns you own, just that you have passed a national background check. It would help to shut up the gun nuts and make it easier for us to transact purchases at the same time as well as likely be cheaper.

Since voting is a right of an American citizen in this country, not a right of a Spanish citizen, once citizenship is established then it's not a regulation is it? I mailed in my Ohio ballot from Texas last check. I'm OK with early voting, as long as we all get the same number of votes and they are all counted the same. Situations do happen, and life can get in the way, situations where you may not know they are coming in time to request a absentee ballot to mail in.

Frankly, I do not agree at all with your stance about who can, and who can not, have a firearm or what they should have prior to ownership. For example - convicted felons never having a gun; what if minor possession of pot (currently a misdomeaner) gets upped to a class 3 felony? Same crime, same person.

Proper training? Who says what is proper training? 6 years in the military? 12 hours in a class room? What is keeping that standard definition of 'proper' from changing over the years? You really should take a look at what was done to blacks during the Jim Crow era in the south in regards to voting (how many bubbles on this bar of soap is not a literacy test).

Gun license? Buddy, that's straight up registration/records right there, and in the same breath you say there shouldn't be a background check yet you should be able to pass a national background check.

To hell with the 'gun nuts' as you put it. I will not waiver with my god given rights, and you shouldn't either.

It is that attitude that does more harm to our rights than any other thing in existence (even politicians).