METCALF RACING

[03z06vette]

Best racing...street and track.

:bigthumb



DISCUSS!!

[Metcalf Racing]

What? Lmao.....DUMB

[03z06vette]

post your trash talk here not my build thread....

[Metcalf Racing]

I wasn't trash talking. I just anted to know how your 360ci small block was going to make 800 na hp. I really want to know

[03z06vette]

Cant you read?

[Stolly113]

:popcorn:

[Metcalf Racing]

Besides you posted in the wrong section. This thread will never make it here

[Metcalf Racing]

Cant you read?man them motor articles don't impress me. Plus your lowering compression and changing the cam

[03z06vette]

Keep it clean and dont try and start anything and it will be fine.. What dont you get about it and ill try and explain.

[Metcalf Racing]

I'm not easily fooled by all the hubbub bub

[dsmawd350]

just put a turbo on whatever youre building if you wanna go fast :lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

Keep it clean and dont try and start anything and it will be fine.. What dont you get about it and ill try and explain.what do the heads flow? What's the cam?

[dsmawd350]

whats the compression gonna be? what fuel?

[Metcalf Racing]

whats the compression gonna be? what fuel?
Exactly

[03z06vette]

comp is 14-1 fuel will be q16

[Metcalf Racing]

Flow #'s please

[03z06vette]

What are you running? I didnt even know you had a car till your new paint job.

[03z06vette]

I will disclose # when you tell me yours.....

[03z06vette]

Oh snap mods everywhare...

[Metcalf Racing]

What are you running? I didnt even know you had a car till your new paint job.I have a 545 BBF with a 700+ solid roller cam,13/1, Jon Kasse heads a ported victor 460 intake,and I'm getting ready to buy a new 1250 dominator because the 1050 is to small

[03z06vette]

BASICS
Engine Family V8 Windsor Ford
Specification / Name Solid Roller Cam Engine
Displacement 358 Cubic Inches
Compression Approx. 12:1
Horsepower
Approx. 800 HP
Torque
N/A
Weight 430 Lbs.
Price Starting at $16,000
Description Solid Roller Engine
Recommended Use Perfect for Drag Racing, Vintage Road Racing and others.

Complete long block assembled by Roush Yates Engines
Ford dry sump racing block R451
Bryant 8 counterweight racing crankshaft
Top of the line connecting rods
Forged pistons
Roush Yates spec'd roller camshaft with 55mm roller cam bearings
Jesel dogbone lifters
Yates D3 aluminum cylinder heads (fully ported for maximum performance)
Roush Yates Engines rocker arms
Titanium Valves
Roush Yates 2 piece valve covers with oilers
5 Stage dry sump pump with lines
Custom oil pump with 4 pickup points
Roush Yates Front belt drive assembly
ATI balancer
Stewart EMP water pump
High output alternator
All pulleys and brackets

DETAILS
Block Ford Motorsports Iron Block
Deck Height 9.00"
Bore 4.150" or larger
Stroke 3.260" - 3.300" depending on bore size
Cylinder Head Yates D3 Aluminum prepared by Roush Yates Engines
Intake Valve Size 2.150"
Exhaust Valve Size 1.650"
Valve Accuation Roush Yates Engines
Cam / Lifter Type Solid Roller
Oil System 5 Stage Dry Sump
Induction Carburetor (not included)
Fuel Type Designed for Unleaded Sunoco Race Fuel



Just incase someone elce wants to know what im building. my heads are c3 with 225 in valves and im gonna be @14-1 not 12-1

[dsmawd350]

you can build a 800 hp n/a windsor no doubt but your not gonna do it thrown together in your garage. the combination in gonna need to be professionally picked out and built, custom rings, vacuum pump, heads, port work, intake and cam all designed and built to work together. aluminum rods, 14.5-15:1 compression, custom pistons, lightened tool steel pins, loose clearances, etc etc etc

[dsmawd350]

I'm confused are you buying a turnkey engine from whatever site you keep copying and pasting this info from?

[03z06vette]

you can build a 800 hp n/a windsor no doubt but your not gonna do it thrown together in your garage. the combination in gonna need to be professionally picked out and built, custom rings, vacuum pump, heads, port work, intake and cam all designed and built to work together. aluminum rods, 14.5-15:1 compression, custom pistons, lightened tool steel pins, loose clearances, etc etc etc

This motor is strait out of a spring car best of everything. Im glad someone is atleast admiting its possable.

[03z06vette]

I'm confused are you buying a turnkey engine from whatever site you keep copying and pasting this info from?

Kinda, the guy i bought the motor from bought it from there.

[Metcalf Racing]

BASICS
Engine Family V8 Windsor Ford
Specification / Name Solid Roller Cam Engine
Displacement 358 Cubic Inches
Compression Approx. 12:1
Horsepower
Approx. 800 HP
Torque
N/A
Weight 430 Lbs.
Price Starting at $16,000
Description Solid Roller Engine
Recommended Use Perfect for Drag Racing, Vintage Road Racing and others.

Complete long block assembled by Roush Yates Engines
Ford dry sump racing block R451
Bryant 8 counterweight racing crankshaft
Top of the line connecting rods
Forged pistons
Roush Yates spec'd roller camshaft with 55mm roller cam bearings
Jesel dogbone lifters
Yates D3 aluminum cylinder heads (fully ported for maximum performance)
Roush Yates Engines rocker arms
Titanium Valves
Roush Yates 2 piece valve covers with oilers
5 Stage dry sump pump with lines
Custom oil pump with 4 pickup points
Roush Yates Front belt drive assembly
ATI balancer
Stewart EMP water pump
High output alternator
All pulleys and brackets

DETAILS
Block Ford Motorsports Iron Block
Deck Height 9.00"
Bore 4.150" or larger
Stroke 3.260" - 3.300" depending on bore size
Cylinder Head Yates D3 Aluminum prepared by Roush Yates Engines
Intake Valve Size 2.150"
Exhaust Valve Size 1.650"
Valve Accuation Roush Yates Engines
Cam / Lifter Type Solid Roller
Oil System 5 Stage Dry Sump
Induction Carburetor (not included)
Fuel Type Designed for Unleaded Sunoco Race Fuel



Just incase someone elce wants to know what im building. my heads are c3 with 225 in valves and im gonna be @14-1 not 12-1ok this is a magazine article. Your motor has none of this

[dsmawd350]

so the motor is already done and together? everything you need you have sitting in front of you?

[dsmawd350]

im also curious what your exact motor is not just the thing you keep pasting off the site? you already have rods crank intake etc etc if you bought a turbkey motor right? whats left before it goes together?

[draggin50]

So how long is it going to be before its done and why not throw it in the Cobra?

[Metcalf Racing]

The motor in the article has a big victor looking intake. He has some french looking indy car looking thing

[Metcalf Racing]

im also curious what your exact motor is not just the thing you keep pasting off the site? you already have rods crank intake etc etc if you bought a turbkey motor right? whats left before it goes together?this is all I wanted to know and he got butt hurt

[dsmawd350]

This motor is strait out of a spring car best of everything. Im glad someone is atleast admiting its possable.

also I agree with what craig said in the other thread though. If this motor was good for drag racing youd see more like it. IF IF you can make 800hp out of a 360c.i. windsor N/A your gonna see like 500ft lbs of torque, not exactly optimal for the 1/4 mile

[03z06vette]

I have some different things than in the list. my crank is crowler, my intake is kinsler, i will not be going dry sump, my deck is 9.2, my rods are h-beam aluminum, my intake valves are 225 ex are 164 and fully ballanced.

[draggin50]

also I agree with what craig said in the other thread though. If this motor was good for drag racing youd see more like it. IF IF you can make 800hp out of a 360c.i. windsor N/A your gonna see like 500ft lbs of torque, not exactly optimal for the 1/4 mile

And I think they dont start building any power till 6500. They do make really good P/A motors though.

[03z06vette]

I was advised to run a turbo 400 a 4000 stall and shift at 8500.

[jack90gt]

Holy Shit thats all......Carry on......All these fast cars and all i got is a little junk 302 with some junk parts on it.......

[draggin50]

The 4000 stall seems a little on the low side. I guess the compression, camshaft, rear gear, and vehicle weight has already been figured in?

[03z06vette]

I will be running a 430 rear on 28in slick. weight will be as light as i can get it. The cam will be ordered soon. I have a 275ft privacy fence going up in the morning and one other bill i have to take care of. I should be buying parts by this time next month.

[Stangman]

Holy Shit thats all......Carry on......All these fast cars and all i got is a little junk 302 with some junk parts on it.......

X2... I'm with ya man

[jack90gt]

Well man i say with that high of comp. and with the right parts you could do it....Good luck....I also say put it in the cobra.......

[jack90gt]

X2... I'm with ya man

Thank god now i dont feel so left out....:bigthumb

[beefcake]

you can build a 800 hp n/a windsor no doubt but your not gonna do it thrown together in your garage. the combination in gonna need to be professionally picked out and built, custom rings, vacuum pump, heads, port work, intake and cam all designed and built to work together. aluminum rods, 14.5-15:1 compression, custom pistons, lightened tool steel pins, loose clearances, etc etc etc

why would he want to "professionally" do stuff, it's not how you would do it because you do all your own work?

so what, now you can't build an 800 hp n/a windsor either? i thought you had skills?

[03z06vette]

I seriously doubt its going in the cobra. If anything i may make the capri a cobra clone..

[jack90gt]

That capri would def be sick with that motor though cause you hardly see them around anymore......Credit is def due for building something different.....

[draggin50]

I will be running a 430 rear on 28in slick. weight will be as light as i can get it. The cam will be ordered soon. I have a 275ft privacy fence going up in the morning and one other bill i have to take care of. I should be buying parts by this time next month.

Well I hope it all comes together for ya. I know they can make some real power as proven by some real top notch races such as Les Baer, Tim Lynch, and others. They all seemed to run power adders though so you have my attention on this. Id like to see how it turns out.

[dsmawd350]

queefcake hes trying to push the absolute envelope of a n/a sbf you cant get that done slapping in parts on a engine stand in your garage. for something that crazy and on the edge it needs to be thought out and put together buy someone who knows what they are doing putting together big hp n/a engine combinations. So now get back to what you know best eating and shutting the fuck up and quit bringing shit back from the dead fat boy

[jack90gt]

Well dont you push a stock block when you throw a h/c/i and a s-trim on a 302???? I say if he can do it then hell yeah do it.....I would rock that as far as i could if it was me....

[03z06vette]

queefcake hes trying to push the absolute envelope of a n/a sbf you cant get that done slapping in parts on a engine stand in your garage. for something that crazy and on the edge it needs to be thought out and put together buy someone who knows what they are doing putting together big hp n/a engine combinations. So now get back to what you know best eating and shutting the fuck up and quit bringing shit back from the dead fat boy

My garage is not your tipical garage. I may not be an engine builder but i know lots of good ones who have helped me make my decisions. It just so happens I have thought this out to the last detail. It was a hard decision but i just wanted to build a n\a motor. I still have the t-trim just incase.

[jack90gt]

And i have seen some very badass motors come out of garages that you wouldnt buy a can of pop from.....

[Rick93coupe]

Dear God it's gonna be a long winter with you guys nit picking everything that's posted.

[dsmawd350]

I'm not saying anything about your particular garage. I'm just saying yeah people throw together huge power big blocks and 500 hp sb's all the time in their shed. This isnt a BIG cubic inch motor and not a mediocre small block. what he's trying to do CAN be done and has been done before with ~370 ci windsor but your average person throwqing parts together that sound good isnt gonna get it done. thats all im saying it needs to be thought out AND executed well and he' says thats what he's doing. im ionterested to see the results good luck

[03z06vette]

Dear God it's gonna be a long winter with you guys nit picking everything that's posted.

Its all in good fun:lol: Glad you could join in!!

[beefcake]

queefcake hes trying to push the absolute envelope of a n/a sbf you cant get that done slapping in parts on a engine stand in your garage. for something that crazy and on the edge it needs to be thought out and put together buy someone who knows what they are doing putting together big hp n/a engine combinations. So now get back to what you know best eating and shutting the fuck up and quit bringing shit back from the dead fat boy

i just thought as far as putting stuff together, if it's not done by yourself, it's not respectable, those were your words not mine.

now, as far as the personal attacks, your more than welcome to keep making them if that makes you feel like a big man.

at some point, we will meet

[dsmawd350]

Its all in good fun:lol: Glad you could join in!!

exactly! you dont learn anything by sitting on a forum and just nodding your head and being a sheep. i'm just having an intelligent conversation here about advanced topics nothing wrong with that. Hell he might gather a few new ideas or new directions listening to others insight.

[dsmawd350]

i just thought as far as putting stuff together, if it's not done by yourself, it's not respectable, those were your words not mine.

now, as far as the personal attacks, your more than welcome to keep making them if that makes you feel like a big man.

at some point, we will meet

blah blah blah.

[03z06vette]

i just thought as far as putting stuff together, if it's not done by yourself, it's not respectable, those were your words not mine.

now, as far as the personal attacks, your more than welcome to keep making them if that makes you feel like a big man.

at some point, we will meet

comeonman, cant we all just get along

:sbowns:

[jack90gt]

WOW that's it. I can't wait to get over there and actually meet you guys... This is gonna be a lotta beer drinkin good time... Just sayin...

[03z06vette]

I want to know what Kevin thinks??

[Timido]

I have seen the insides to a 360 cid inline valve head small block ford that run well into the 8s. I dont know any HP numbers but I am sure it would make your number. It can be done but you better bring your wallet. I had a set of C3s that I was going to build a motor with. The plan was a 427-440 little compression with a decent cam. It was going to be kind of a mild motor. I was told to expect about 700. I can be done but it is easyier with with more cubes.

[03z06vette]

I have seen the insides to a 360 cid inline valve head small block ford that run well into the 8s. I dont know any HP numbers but I am sure it would make your number. It can be done but you better bring your wallet. I had a set of C3s that I was going to build a motor with. The plan was a 427-440 little compression with a decent cam. It was going to be kind of a mild motor. I was told to expect about 700. I can be done but it is easyier with with more cubes.

I will probably go to a 427 if the ET's are higher than what I want.

[dsmawd350]

just do it right the first time

[dsmawd350]

throw a 94mm thumper on there while youre at it

[03z06vette]

If i change it now, you all will never let me live it down.

[dsmawd350]

:lol:

[Timido]

I will probably go to a 427 if the ET's are higher than what I want.

At least that 9.2 block has a 2.75 crank. You better bring some Rpm :bigthumb

[draggin50]

If i change it now, you all will never let me live it down.

Aint nobody gonna kick ya in the sack if you throw the t trim on it!! Gotta love the sound they make anyways! 9:1 and the Vortech and have fun!!

[03z06vette]

I will not change the engine set up now. Its a personal challange, to go whare no Metcalf has gone before.

[Metcalf Racing]

I hope to god you put that t trim on there. It will be a turd forsure. But really tim said your heads 427-440ci. Around 700. If you hit that you'll be doing something

[Metcalf Racing]

I will not change the engine set up now. Its a personal challange, to go whare no Metcalf has gone before.you got me. If you ever do really build it ill crack my line

[03z06vette]

you got me. If you ever do really build it ill crack my line

I dont know what that means, but get ready to do it!!

[Metcalf Racing]

I dont know what that means, but get ready to do it!!bwahaahahhahhahahahahhahahah

[k062693w]

Hmmmmm ... Looks like you may want to up the cubes !!!

http://www.streetfire.net/video/800hp-yates-head-sbf-ford-440-stroker-being-dyno_159605.htm

[Metcalf Racing]

80ci is a great big deal

[k062693w]

80ci is a great big deal

Exactly !!! And an .800+ lift cam !!!

[03z06vette]

I love youtube!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGsb0QYXtfU

[Metcalf Racing]

That video makes no case for you

[03z06vette]

I have a 545 BBF with a 700+ solid roller cam,13/1, Jon Kasse heads a ported victor 460 intake,and I'm getting ready to buy a new 1250 dominator because the 1050 is to small

should be around 800hp?

[03z06vette]

Neither of them do... but they are still fing awsome!!


only the vid of my engine will..I think everyone knows that.

[Metcalf Racing]

should be around 800hp?I doubt it

[03z06vette]

I doubt it

Let me know when its running, id like to check that out!

[Metcalf Racing]

It should be out in 3-4 weeks. Believe me everyone will know when its out

[03z06vette]

It should be out in 3-4 weeks. Believe me everyone will know when its out

Whats your target ET?

[k062693w]

I love youtube!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGsb0QYXtfU

Comparing Apples and Water Buffalo ??? :rolleyes:
I don't know you, But I'm guessing you don't have $100,000 + to put into an engine ??? And not taking into account the Millions that they have in R&D !!!

Just my $.02

[Metcalf Racing]

Whats your target ET?now that is G14

[03z06vette]

I learn from others its cheeper and easier. I have a budget for the motor....as muchasittakes..

[03z06vette]

now that is G14

I have been out of the game too long, what does G14 mean. I need to hang out in Mtown again so i can talk smack better!

[Metcalf Racing]

you know what they say; a fool and his money soon part.



Just because you maybe be able to doesn't mean you should

[Metcalf Racing]

I have been out of the game too long, what does G14 mean. I need to hang out in Mtown again so i can talk smack better!lol. Classified

[03z06vette]

Comparing Apples and Water Buffalo ??? :rolleyes:
I don't know you, But I'm guessing you don't have $100,000 + to put into an engine ??? And not taking into account the Millions that they have in R&D !!!

Just my $.02

Dont you see anything simmilar in my build? It is to a to spec 360 sprint car engine that has dynoed @711 ish hp.

just my .05 thats all ill have left when its done.

[Metcalf Racing]

Lmao this thread has changed sections 3 times. I told you so

[Metcalf Racing]

Dont you see anything simmilar in my build? It is to a to spec 360 sprint car engine that has dynoed @711 ish hp.

just my .05 thats all ill have left when its done.but its not. You changed heads,cam,and compression

[Sharad]

matt snow told me they made over 1000hp on pump gas with a 358 nascar motor, an ATI F2, and Snow Meth.

[03z06vette]

you know what they say; a fool and his money soon part.



Just because you maybe be able to doesn't mean you should



I am no fool.. If anything, I am one of the few that actually had my shit together at a young age. I have never given up on anything...except the Vette, I hate chebbys!

[Metcalf Racing]

matt snow told me they made over 1000hp on pump gas with a 358 nascar motor, an ATI F2, and Snow Meth.ok but he is NA

[03z06vette]

but its not. You changed heads,cam,and compression

Much better air flow and just a little less comp. Cam is not too different. Lift will be the same.

[k062693w]

Dont you see anything simmilar in my build? It is to a to spec 360 sprint car engine that has dynoed @711 ish hp.

just my .05 thats all ill have left when its done.

Yes I do see some similarities !!! :bigthumb
But how many of those "youtube engines" were built using used blocks, Cranks, rods, pistons, Intake, Etc. You kind of see where I'm going with this ???
I'm not saying it can't be done, But if Seasoned, Professional engine builders are just making 7-800 hp, With the Best of the Best, Are you really naive enough to think that you are going to get the same results with using used parts and engine builders with very little to no experience with these set ups ???
I mean after all Ohio being the NASCAR Capital !!! LMAO

And not bashing ... I hope it makes 1000 hp and runs 7's on street tires !!! :bigthumb

[Metcalf Racing]

I am no fool.. If anything, I am one of the few that actually had my shit together at a young age. I have never given up on anything...except the Vette, I hate chebbys!lmao!! Put your hard on away

[jack90gt]

Wow changed sections again......LMAO

[03z06vette]

matt snow told me they made over 1000hp on pump gas with a 358 nascar motor, an ATI F2, and Snow Meth.

There is no boubt it is able....:bigthumb

[Metcalf Racing]

Please tell me you have inverted dome pistons. It will complete the story

[Sharad]

I hope it makes 1000 hp and runs 7's on street tires !!! :bigthumb

hey, that's MY goal!! ;)



Wow changed sections again......LMAO

All I know is that it didn't belong in the Boom Room!!

[03z06vette]

:sukit:




lmao!! Put your hard on away

[jack90gt]

Please tell me you a inverted dome pistons. It will complete the story

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:See this is what i look forward to......

[Metcalf Racing]

hey, that's MY goal!! ;)




All I know is that it didn't belong in the Boom Room!!
Yeah I'm on my cell phone so I can't see. What was the boom room

[Sharad]

Yeah I'm on my cell phone so I can't see. What was the boom room

it was in the Car Audio section so I moved it to Windsor Tech since that seems to be the predominant discussion here.

[03z06vette]

I have inverted dome pistons.... There are ya happy... Im out, The little one is up DAMMIT!!

[Metcalf Racing]

Does it bother you to know that I believe you

[03z06vette]

Yes it does!!

[Maximus]

All I know is that it didn't belong in the Boom Room!!

Pfffft. It was quiet in here.:flipoff: :lol:

[03z06vette]

Pfffft. It was quiet in here.:flipoff: :lol:

Any progress on your car?? Dont lie and tell me ya dont have the time....do you have a car?

[Metcalf Racing]

He has a Delorian

[Maximus]

Any progress on your car?? Dont lie and tell me ya dont have the time....do you have a car?

I have two cars. Both Hoopty POS. Whats your point?

[RacerX]

I'm kinda new here but I do know Mr. Dawson, I have no idea who this Metcalf is but I do know a bit about NASCAR/ARCA engines. I can share that if anyone cares, too boring to go into but trust me this ain't my first rodeo.

Have you heard of NASCAR Mr. Metcalf? Do you have any idea what power those engines could make if they had no rules like compression, flat tappet mushroom cams ( I.E. no rollers of you don't know what those are), carb spacer height, 850 CFM carbs, 110 octane gas etc...? I'll tell you, way more than the 850ish they make now.

Mr. Dawson has a 360 series Sprint car engine. And that funny looking intake is a FUEL INJECTOR. A typical sprinter engine puts out more HP than a cup car because they don't have all the restrictions. They can use roller cams, any compression, alcohol fuel, alluminum rods,fuel injection, etc.

If you want to know where those engine specs came from it's not hard to find but I'll let Mr. Dawson post that if he chooses. Do you actually think 358cid is small? There have been 1500cc engines putting out 1000+hp since the 60's.

Make no mistake, making that kind of hp in a NASCAR/ARCA engine isn't cheap. Most teams can't afford to buy thier engines. They lease them by the race or by the season, on the low end 100K for a single race or around 3.5 million for a season. I'm sure you can build one of your "drag" racing engines by using more cid cheaper and with weaker parts becuse they don't have to endure the torture of a 500 to 600 mile race plus several hours of practice/qualifying in a 3500 pound car.

The good thing about all of this is that since the NASCAR teams can't take the chance of an engine failure they replace the engines/parts way before thier sevice life is in jeopardy. With multi-million $ sponcers engine failure is just NOT tolarable. In turn these parts are sold by the teams either directly to lower series racers or through clearing houses like Dave Jensons, Muscle Motorsports etc... Thats why you can buy a used NEXTEL Cup engine for 16K or a $1400 carbon fiber air box for $125.

In a nutshell, if Mr. Dawson's Yates headed, hi-compression, fuel injected, dry sumped engine is done properly it is easily capable of the # he quoted.


DR

[Metcalf Racing]

Well since your post is way to ridiculous to quote ill just quick reply. Tommy has not a nascar engine. And yes I know what nascar is I seen a south park episode on it last week.


Tommys heads,cam and compression are all different. So swing from his nut if you will but an 800hp drag motor it will not make.

[9cobra4]

yoda?

[WHYTRY]

yoda?



much to learn you have? lol

[NO SHOT]

Hey Mr.Racerx I dont know you.I do know Mr.Metcalf.I dont know alot about specific builds of nascar engines.I do drag race a little.Since you seem to know so much about the endurance of the modern race engine how about you bring your beast to the track and we can see how it does????Mr.dawson also said his engine was NOT going to be dry sumped.;)

[WHYTRY]

Hey Mr.Racerx I dont know you.I do know Mr.Metcalf.I dont know alot about specific builds of nascar engines.I do drag race a little.Since you seem to know so much about the endurance of the modern race engine how about you bring your beast to the track and we can see how it does????Mr.dawson also said his engine was NOT going to be dry sumped.;)


if its anything like the other mason mustangs ive seen its 2 seconds slower than it should be. im just sayin

[NO SHOT]

if its anything like the other mason mustangs ive seen its 2 seconds slower than it should be. im just sayin

DANG...You did...........LOL!!!!

[bangingears]

my buddy has a 900hp 400'' BES engine for sale if anyone is intersted

[WHYTRY]

DANG...You did...........LOL!!!!



lol. i had too. i got a slow junk ass car to race some other slow junk ass cars too. im just sayin

[bkstang95]

Shitz weak, Tom! :lol:

[Timido]

If this is going to stay in here lets keep this a motor topic. How about some facts about what those heads are able to do. I have seen some pretty wicked c3 and sc1 headed outlaw cars run some crazy numbers. N/A who knows?

[draggin50]

If this is going to stay in here lets keep this a motor topic. How about some facts about what those heads are able to do. I have seen some pretty wicked c3 and sc1 headed outlaw cars run some crazy numbers. N/A who knows?

About every drag car I have seen has been a P/A car. Im curious to see what it will do myself! Either way it should be a quick car! Id still like to see it in the Cobra!

[Metcalf Racing]

Removing the power adder changes everything. If he had one I'd say man that thing will be tough. But I still would be a skeptic with his t trim

[jack90gt]

wow i thought this thread would have died down over night but i guess i was wrong....Continue on please

[Kevin1989]

if its anything like the other mason mustangs ive seen its 2 seconds slower than it should be. im just sayin

hes about right :lol: i believe i heard these exact words in Mtown

[03z06vette]

Kevin Your car is deff bipolar....lol


Metcalf, You are just setting your self up for " Oops, I guess it will be fast" PLEASE!! keep telling me im crazy. I can drive also, so like ive said many times. Wax the ft end of your car because thats all ill see in the rear view!!!

[03z06vette]

:cheers:



Shitz weak, Tom! :lol:

[Metcalf Racing]

One day you may beat me Thomas. They say there is a first time for everything. But that weak ass motor you got isn't the ticket

[Metcalf Racing]

What kind of flow numbers do your heads have. Are they ported?

[03z06vette]

Yes the heads are ported and polished. I have already stated that, along with valves bigger than a pop can!! Ill post the #s, mabie. I am not gonna give all the secrets away...lol

[03z06vette]

@ 750 lift the intake is 340ish and exaust is 250ish. I think,dont quote me on that ill have to check with the guy i bought them off of.

[03z06vette]

I have two cars. Both Hoopty POS. Whats your point?

No point. Just askin.

[dsmawd350]

816 hp 374 c.i. windsor
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hdrp_0607_joe_sherman_built_ford_windsor/index.html

[Timido]

Joe Sherman could get 300hp out of my zero turn.

[WHYTRY]

hes about right :lol: i believe i heard these exact words in Mtown

this was said in hopes that you would get a lane with my junker

[03z06vette]

One day you may beat me Thomas. They say there is a first time for everything. But that weak ass motor you got isn't the ticket

Weak ass? I think your in small block denial:lol:

[Sharad]

Joe Sherman could get 300hp out of my zero turn.

LOL!!! Quoted for truff.

[03z06vette]

wow i thought this thread would have died down over night but i guess i was wrong....Continue on please

This thread will go on till I have a vid of the engine on the dyno...:coo1:

[k062693w]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll go $20 in the pot, that with the combo you described you will never see the 10's !!!
I could be wrong, but it sounds like another big $$ 11 second car ...That's my opinion !!!
Thanks for reading !!! LOL

[Kevin1989]

this was said in hopes that you would get a lane with my junker

well if you already said it's 2 seconds slower wheres the fun in that? Was that your hatch there that night?

[jack90gt]

I will throw $20 in and say yeah he will get it....I have faith in him....

[draggin50]

Ill just have to put $20 in that in will go atleast 10's. Ive seen junk go low 11's so it should be pretty easy.

[RacerX]

At the risk of sounding condesending, believe me it's hard not too, let's not get your fantisies and OPINIONS confused with facts. First fact I never said Tom (Mr. Dawson) has a NASCAR Nextel Cup engine. Fact is he knows it came from a SPRINT car, which in FACT typically makes more power than a cup engine. I won't repeat why.

It may well have been a cup engine, I suspect at least parts of it were, no real way to determine that now but because of the volume of Yates heads used in cup chances are at least they were. Watching southpark doesn't really make you familar with NASCAR, I don't watch cartoons since I was about 10 so I know not what they covered or how in depth they got.

It is illogical to ask me to bring out my "beast" to prove the validity of which I speak. What does that have to do with the topic whatever. Nothing at all. Yet another fact is I never claimed to have a fast mustang. I imagine since it from Mason it's 2 seconds slower than something you refer too, in what type of endevor you speak I'm not sure. Slower in a 1.5 mile oval? a 1/2 mile dirt track? coasting down a big hill?

I imagine you mean in a 1/4 mile "drag" race. I know this site seems to cater to this type of hobby but it's not my cup of tea. I have more experience in Professional racing. By definition professinal means having to pass some form of licensing or testing to ply your trade. I have participated in the hobby of drag racing and actually won many races, I showed up paid my money and raced, I don't remember any other requirments other than tech. inspection which was minimal at best.

Some of you guys want flow #'s for his heads. Here's food for thought, if there was a better head desighn at the time those were cast and machined don't you think with the multimillion $'s at a cup teams didposal they would have them? Of course they would, thats why so many of those heads are out there, they become obsolete literally in weeks because they are constantly improving the piece. My last engine builder slept with his latest head desighn under his bed, granted those guys down there are a bit off center but the point is when they find something they want to keep it. As a side note the same engine builder wouldn't give me the cam #'s because that was HIS sweat and tears and not to be public knowledge. Of course if works well soon someone copies his grind and the dance starts again. Tom's heads will work just fine with the proper matching components selected for the task.




DR

[03z06vette]

At the risk of sounding condesending, believe me it's hard not too, let's not get your fantisies and OPINIONS confused with facts. First fact I never said Tom (Mr. Dawson) has a NASCAR Nextel Cup engine. Fact is he knows it came from a SPRINT car, which in FACT typically makes more power than a cup engine. I won't repeat why.

It may well have been a cup engine, I suspect at least parts of it were, no real way to determine that now but because of the volume of Yates heads used in cup chances are at least they were. Watching southpark doesn't really make you familar with NASCAR, I don't watch cartoons since I was about 10 so I know not what they covered or how in depth they got.

It is illogical to ask me to bring out my "beast" to prove the validity of which I speak. What does that have to do with the topic whatever. Nothing at all. Yet another fact is I never claimed to have a fast mustang. I imagine since it from Mason it's 2 seconds slower than something you refer too, in what type of endevor you speak I'm not sure. Slower in a 1.5 mile oval? a 1/2 mile dirt track? coasting down a big hill?

I imagine you mean in a 1/4 mile "drag" race. I know this site seems to cater to this type of hobby but it's not my cup of tea. I have more experience in Professional racing. By definition professinal means having to pass some form of licensing or testing to ply your trade. I have participated in the hobby of drag racing and actually won many races, I showed up paid my money and raced, I don't remember any other requirments other than tech. inspection which was minimal at best.

Some of you guys want flow #'s for his heads. Here's food for thought, if there was a better head desighn at the time those were cast and machined don't you think with the multimillion $'s at a cup teams didposal they would have them? Of course they would, thats why so many of those heads are out there, they become obsolete literally in weeks because they are constantly improving the piece. My last engine builder slept with his latest head desighn under his bed, granted those guys down there are a bit off center but the point is when they find something they want to keep it. As a side note the same engine builder wouldn't give me the cam #'s because that was HIS sweat and tears and not to be public knowledge. Of course if works well soon someone copies his grind and the dance starts again. Tom's heads will work just fine with the proper matching components selected for the task.




DR

Ya could of just said, Ya'll are dumb, It gonna be fast. Because he said it was, and he ant no liar!!

[RacerX]

I guess I just like typing satire on occaision. Helps keeps the troops stirred up. :)

OK, what Tom said.








DR

[WHYTRY]

well if you already said it's 2 seconds slower wheres the fun in that? Was that your hatch there that night?

yea that was the dd lol i said 2 seconds slower than what it should be lol. i seen the evo race. tires are needed for that kinda thing lol

[Kevin1989]

and a tune and a gear. I got both now.

[93RedNotch]

and a tune and a gear. I got both now.

now all you need is a driver mod. :D

[k062693w]

At the risk of sounding condesending, believe me it's hard not too, let's not get your fantisies and OPINIONS confused with facts. First fact I never said Tom (Mr. Dawson) has a NASCAR Nextel Cup engine. Fact is he knows it came from a SPRINT car, which in FACT typically makes more power than a cup engine. I won't repeat why.

It may well have been a cup engine, I suspect at least parts of it were, no real way to determine that now but because of the volume of Yates heads used in cup chances are at least they were. Watching southpark doesn't really make you familar with NASCAR, I don't watch cartoons since I was about 10 so I know not what they covered or how in depth they got.

It is illogical to ask me to bring out my "beast" to prove the validity of which I speak. What does that have to do with the topic whatever. Nothing at all. Yet another fact is I never claimed to have a fast mustang. I imagine since it from Mason it's 2 seconds slower than something you refer too, in what type of endevor you speak I'm not sure. Slower in a 1.5 mile oval? a 1/2 mile dirt track? coasting down a big hill?

I imagine you mean in a 1/4 mile "drag" race. I know this site seems to cater to this type of hobby but it's not my cup of tea. I have more experience in Professional racing. By definition professinal means having to pass some form of licensing or testing to ply your trade. I have participated in the hobby of drag racing and actually won many races, I showed up paid my money and raced, I don't remember any other requirments other than tech. inspection which was minimal at best.

Some of you guys want flow #'s for his heads. Here's food for thought, if there was a better head desighn at the time those were cast and machined don't you think with the multimillion $'s at a cup teams didposal they would have them? Of course they would, thats why so many of those heads are out there, they become obsolete literally in weeks because they are constantly improving the piece. My last engine builder slept with his latest head desighn under his bed, granted those guys down there are a bit off center but the point is when they find something they want to keep it. As a side note the same engine builder wouldn't give me the cam #'s because that was HIS sweat and tears and not to be public knowledge. Of course if works well soon someone copies his grind and the dance starts again. Tom's heads will work just fine with the proper matching components selected for the task.




DR

Well $hit that changes everything ...:rolleyes: Please forgive us for not bowing down and accepting everything that you say !!! How could we have been so blind as to not know your expertise and knowledge of all things NASCAR !!! We truly are sorry for doubting you ... The mods may as well close this thread since the "EXPERT" has spoken ... :lol:
And if your such a "Seasoned Racer" and so knowledged in all things racing, And since you have done more "professional" racing, Then why have we never heard of you ??? Why are you not working for or better yet driving for one of the big names that you so freely threw out there ??? Just wondering :rolleyes:

[Timido]

drag racing not professional? Get off your high horse with that line of crap. You remind me of that French Guy on that Ricky Bobby movie

[k062693w]

drag racing not professional? Get off your high horse with that line of crap. You remind me of that French Guy on that Ricky Bobby movie

:lol: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff282/k062693w/JeanGirard.jpg
Watch out or he will make you say that you like Crepe's !!! :lol:



http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff282/k062693w/racerX.jpg

[Kevin1989]

now all you need is a driver mod. :D

coming from a kid that's shit hasn't been running in 3 or 4 months.

[Gearhead559]

LOL at this thread. I'd like to know which yates heads they are? there are several different one's that have used over the years. hell they have different engines/heads for different tracks. and some heads flow better then others for different reasons. the flow numbers on the heads will only tell you just that. and with no idea of the cam specs, or weather the intake was bolted to the heads, and a carb was used to simulate real world conditions on the flow bench, then the flow numbers dont mean shit IMO. and its been proven time and time again, you can build a 1000hp SB, or a 1000hp BB. N/a at that. Hell with the used nascer parts sales, and dumb red necks hitting the lottery, there should be all kind of street cars with pieced together motors, all from used nascar parts making 700 some horse.

[bkstang95]

Do I need to be the treasurer and keep track of all the $20's that are being thrown in on Tom's build?! :lol: (I get a cut though! haha)

[Walter]

Let the track tell the tale...

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

I have participated in the hobby of drag racing and actually won many races, I showed up paid my money and raced, I don't remember any other requirments other than tech. inspection which was minimal at best.

That's because you were driving a street car. Once you get in the real shit where your car goes 300mph and makes a pass in under 4 seconds, you can't just hop in your car and cruise down to Edgewater and bust'em off. There are levels to every "profession" just like i can build a road race car and go up to a road course, pay my way in, pass tech and off i go racing on a road circuit. It's no different.

Oh, and just for kicks what certifications do you have as a professional driver?

[Timido]

I have a CDL Top that Frechie! http://www.borev.net/frenchie.gif

[Black Horse]

There are levels to every "profession" just like i can build a road race car and go up to a road course, pay my way in, pass tech and off i go racing on a road circuit. ?


And what group do/would you race with like that? NASA and SCCA both require Competition Licensing...and last I checked they don't come in boxes of Fruit Loops.

[03z06vette]

coming from a kid that's shit hasn't been running in 3 or 4 months.

It will be on the road monday.

[k062693w]

And what group do/would you race with like that? NASA and SCCA both require Competition Licensing...and last I checked they don't come in boxes of Fruit Loops.


You mean they don't have test&tune/run what you brung road course events ???
No wonder nobody keeps up with it then, If you have to build a car, pass inspections, and get a license before you can even see if it's something you like ??? That's just DUMB !!!

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

And what group do/would you race with like that? NASA and SCCA both require Competition Licensing...and last I checked they don't come in boxes of Fruit Loops.

Open track days :confused:

[k062693w]

Open track days :confused:

YEP !!! And NASA even advertises open track days on their website !!! :lol:
You can see for yourself !!! :bigthumb

http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/

And after another google search, The SCCA offers the same thing ... So I guess you can get a license from Froot Loops !!! LMAO

[mustang8998]

I guess only road racers and roundy rounders are professional.

Tell that to any of the 16 T/F, F/C, PS, P/S/B, etc... on any given raceday. Hell, there are alot of "pro" teams, in import drag racing.

[03z06vette]

LOL at this thread. I'd like to know which yates heads they are? there are several different one's that have used over the years. hell they have different engines/heads for different tracks. and some heads flow better then others for different reasons. the flow numbers on the heads will only tell you just that. and with no idea of the cam specs, or weather the intake was bolted to the heads, and a carb was used to simulate real world conditions on the flow bench, then the flow numbers dont mean shit IMO. and its been proven time and time again, you can build a 1000hp SB, or a 1000hp BB. N/a at that. Hell with the used nascer parts sales, and dumb red necks hitting the lottery, there should be all kind of street cars with pieced together motors, all from used nascar parts making 700 some horse.

Ive posted the flow #s. I talked to the guy today. The heads are c3, and #s Ive given are accurate. The intake is matched and is the exact one used when it was dynoed. Each intake tube is 6in tall and is around 40mm. You do the math.
Im pretty sure i know the cam specs. Why would i tell anyone. You guys will just tell me more BS like its not gonna work????Its weird ive never seen people jump on a guy during a build? No matter what its gonna be. Thanks Stangbangerz?? Metcalf I'll be the first to say:flipoff: Your time as the King is running out! :popcorn:

[Gearhead559]

http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/siwoti-cat.png

[Walter]

The weather was absolutely beautiful today.

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Ive posted the flow #s. I talked to the guy today. The heads are c3, and #s Ive given are accurate. The intake is matched and is the exact one used when it was dynoed. Each intake tube is 6in tall and is around 40mm. You do the math.
Im pretty sure i know the cam specs. Why would i tell anyone. You guys will just tell me more BS like its not gonna work????Its weird ive never seen people jump on a guy during a build? No matter what its gonna be. Thanks Stangbangerz?? Metcalf I'll be the first to say:flipoff: Your time as the King is running out! :popcorn:

I think things like this are why people are busting your balls. You can't deny that you do sort of ask for it a little bit.

[03z06vette]

I didnt start anything. I was just stating my goal for my engine. Metcalf started talking shit. I tried to explain, still im a liar, and ignorant of what im doing? I ask for some shit, but at least im not insulting him as a racer or the way he built his car. I direct my trash talk to somthing fun like actually racing. I would never tell someone that there engine or combo was BS. Doesnt it seem that I have asked my self every question you guys have already asked me? I can honestly say I think I went through more. Block, crank, rods, pistion, clearances and Air flow..etc

[draggin50]

Constructive Criticism!!! I think a few of us will learn something once the build is done and its on the dyno. Good or bad, it will be fun for you Im sure. I think you'll get close to what you want... Just get it done already!

[03z06vette]

Constructive Criticism!!! I think a few of us will learn something once the build is done and its on the dyno. Good or bad, it will be fun for you Im sure. I think you'll get close to what you want... Just get it done already!

Now that I have finally bought a building to move my shop into, I can start moving on it. It was hard for me to spend any money when i was renting for as much as i was. This time next month i should be ordering some parts.

[draggin50]

Now that I have finally bought a building to move my shop into, I can start moving on it. It was hard for me to spend any money when i was renting for as much as i was. This time next month i should be ordering some parts.

Hell yeah. lets get this show on the road! Prove em wrong or right I just wanna see it!

[Black Horse]

Open track days :confused:

Open track days are not Racing.......you don't need a comp license

[mustang8998]

Open track days are not Racing.......you don't need a comp license

Okay, but at a legitimate drag strip, you have to have a license to run faster than 9.99, even at test and tune. It is still racing!

[Gearhead559]

most yates heads are c3's..lmao


The C3,C3L and C35 are Conventional YATES cylinder heads with standard castings. These heads are usually low compression when new and come from the factory with 67 cc chambers. They were designed for “all out racing” including Drag, Circle Track and Sprint Car applications. Utilizes shaft mounted rocker system but you have to be sure which one you need (one piece mount or multiple ).Typically came with Titanium 1.60” exhaust and 2.1” Intake valves. They have added water passages between combustion chambers and utilize AGS series spark plugs.



The C3H “High-Port” is similar to the standard C3 casting but has raised intake runners with a straight in intake bolt pattern (bolt holes are perpendicular to the head). Fits 302 and 351 SVO Ford blocks and come new with 40 cc combustion chambers. They were designed for “all out racing” including Drag, Circle Track and Sprint Car applications. Typically came with Titanium 1.60” x 5.26” exhaust and 2.1” x 5.45” Intake valves. This head uses the same shaft mount rocker system as the C3L but longer pushrods. Exhaust ports are the same as the C3L and utilize AGS series spark plugs.


so which c3's? just plain 40cc c3's the c3l's. c35's or c3h's? :HYF:

[Metcalf Racing]

I wasn't running my mouth. I just wanted to know how your little motor was going to make that kind of na power. Your the one who opened this thread to run your mouth.

Your just sad because these guys like me know if your set up would make that power and work good in drag racing many others would have it

[RacerX]

Black Horse is 100% correct. Track days arn't racing, racing is racing. I do motorcycle road racing track days but that doesn't make me a Pro bike racer. At best it makes me an ameture or hobbist rider. I have been in a sub 10 second car, no licence was required, just a helmet. Things may be differant now, that was the late 80's.

Here's a good rule of thumb, if the racing series you are in makes $ from SPECTATORS than it's most likely a professional series. As in folks PAY to watch you race, not YOU pay to race. The last series I ran in was ARCA, I was gauanteed to take home about $1500 in real $ and several boxes of sponcer stuff. This is commonly known as "show up money".

I was once told by the now deceased owner of Kil-Kare speedway (Bill's mom, her name fails me now) why the we can't race on Sat. and let the drags run friday. She said "Honey, we depend on the drag boys to pay the gate on Sat. and we depend on the fans to pay the gate on Fri. we get more draggers on a Sat. and we know you boys will put on a show any night we want".

Also a good clue is if your series has a TV deal. That can be tricky as some series pay for thier TV time to help promote thier series and build a following. ARCA gets paid to be on SPEED. Some may remember Wed. night Thunder on ESPN, we raced on that several times and many times with ARCA on SPEED.

As far as my credentials. I started racing karts at age 4, then motocross in my teens, after I got my licence I did car and bike drag racing (it was what I could afford) after college I started local asphalt oval racing then moving up the ranks to late models and eventually ARCA. Along the way I have done some dirt sprint car, SCCA rally cross and even a 24hr endurance road race. I have held a NASCAR, ARCA and a SCCA licence. I "retired" from pro racing in 2003 as my dad had a heart attack and I had to take a larger role in the family business. I'm now 46 and way too old to pursue a serious oval racing career, it seems now the drivers getting good rides are barely teenagers. I didn't come from a racing family and did it all from the ground up. Most racers that "make it" seem to have a huge advantage as they come from years of racing families. I feel quite luckey and blessed to have gotten as far as I did.

Although far from being famous I believe I am well known in the oval racing community. I still ocaisionally get the question: "Didn't I see you race at...". I also hosted a racing talk show on a small local station for about 10 years.

So, no not an expert but I do consider myself to have paid my dues and picked up some knowledge along the way.



DR

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Here's a good rule of thumb, if the racing series you are in makes $ from SPECTATORS than it's most likely a professional series.

Dude, spectators pay to watch test and tune. :HYF:

[RacerX]

Yeah,
How many folks pay to watch test/tune that arn't there with a car? Not many if at all. Look at the stands at Kil-Kare, there is maybe 1/10 the seating for the strip as the oval. There's a reason for that.

BTW, Barb Chrysler was the owner of Kil-Kare. When you get old you forget stuff.






DR

[Kevin1989]

Edgewater on a good night brings in quite a few spectators that are not with a car. Just saying.

[9cobra4]

Yeah,
How many folks pay to watch test/tune that arn't there with a car? Not many if at all. Look at the stands at Kil-Kare, there is maybe 1/10 the seating for the strip as the oval. There's a reason for that.

BTW, Barb Chrysler was the owner of Kil-Kare. When you get old you forget stuff.






DR

Well DR, I don't know when was the last time you were at Edgewater, but all through the summer the stands are packed. People from around where I live go up just to watch all the time. If one of us brings a car we usually bring around 10 people just to watch.

[Mista Bone]

Well DR, I don't know when was the last time you were at Edgewater, but all through the summer the stands are packed. People from around where I live go up just to watch all the time. If one of us brings a car we usually bring around 10 people just to watch.

so you haven't brought anyone lately????

:HYF:

Myself, I can't go just to watch, rather be home wrenching on my POS!

My current work schedule sucks, I can only make it out for Sunday Brackets at TriState, like today.

Until I remembered I have a CRX meet to attend in which I'm picking up two SCCA IT trannys since the cars are not making the trip to ARRC @ Road Atlanta this year.

[9cobra4]

so you haven't brought anyone lately????

:HYF:

Myself, I can't go just to watch, rather be home wrenching on my POS!

My current work schedule sucks, I can only make it out for Sunday Brackets at TriState, like today.

Until I remembered I have a CRX meet to attend in which I'm picking up two SCCA IT trannys since the cars are not making the trip to ARRC @ Road Atlanta this year.

Nope, not with my Cobra anyway. Have you? I know you'd have to clean up the spilled dog shit and stuff to get through tech, but it'd be worth it for the 13.99 while getting 104mpg!:HYF::lol:

[Whyucryn]

Can someone check the user IP's for Racerx and Mista Bone...I'm really starting to think its the same person. If not, they must be long lost brothers or something.

[Mista Bone]

I'll get through tech with ease, just need to remember long pants.

Haven't made a pass since Aug 2005, used to be a Friday night regular at Edgewater.......until Dick kicked me out!

Need to schedule dyno time with cracker, guessing 109 whp!

[Mista Bone]

Can someone check the user IP's for Racerx and Mista Bone...I'm really starting to think its the same person. If not, they must be long lost brothers or something.

BAHAHHA, not the same IP and I'm wondering who it is. Someone out of the Colletti camp?

[Timido]

Well so RacerX still doesnt understand that there are different levels of all kinds of racing. I am so glad that my sportsman racing will be considered Professional by RacerX because it will get TV time. Starting Next week NHRA Unleashed on Fox Sports for the next couple of months on Sat morning. ARCA SMARKA. How many wins and championships did you get at the Pro level RacerX? Whats your real name so we can google your Occomplishments?

[RyanR]

Well so RacerX still doesnt understand that there are different levels of all kinds of racing. I am so glad that my sportsman racing will be considered Professional by RacerX because it will get TV time. Starting Next week NHRA Unleashed on Fox Sports for the next couple of months on Sat morning. ARCA SMARKA. How many wins and championships did you get at the Pro level RacerX? Whats your real name so we can google your Occomplishments?

He's not going to tell you that. Why do you think he turned his race car into a street car. Its more fun to go to milford every weekend than the race track in a car that could'nt qualify 5 years ago.

[Walter]

Black Horse is 100% correct. Track days arn't racing, racing is racing. I do motorcycle road racing track days but that doesn't make me a Pro bike racer. At best it makes me an ameture or hobbist rider. I have been in a sub 10 second car, no licence was required, just a helmet. Things may be differant now, that was the late 80's.

Here's a good rule of thumb, if the racing series you are in makes $ from SPECTATORS than it's most likely a professional series. As in folks PAY to watch you race, not YOU pay to race. The last series I ran in was ARCA, I was gauanteed to take home about $1500 in real $ and several boxes of sponcer stuff. This is commonly known as "show up money".

I was once told by the now deceased owner of Kil-Kare speedway (Bill's mom, her name fails me now) why the we can't race on Sat. and let the drags run friday. She said "Honey, we depend on the drag boys to pay the gate on Sat. and we depend on the fans to pay the gate on Fri. we get more draggers on a Sat. and we know you boys will put on a show any night we want".

Also a good clue is if your series has a TV deal. That can be tricky as some series pay for thier TV time to help promote thier series and build a following. ARCA gets paid to be on SPEED. Some may remember Wed. night Thunder on ESPN, we raced on that several times and many times with ARCA on SPEED.

As far as my credentials. I started racing karts at age 4, then motocross in my teens, after I got my licence I did car and bike drag racing (it was what I could afford) after college I started local asphalt oval racing then moving up the ranks to late models and eventually ARCA. Along the way I have done some dirt sprint car, SCCA rally cross and even a 24hr endurance road race. I have held a NASCAR, ARCA and a SCCA licence. I "retired" from pro racing in 2003 as my dad had a heart attack and I had to take a larger role in the family business. I'm now 46 and way too old to pursue a serious oval racing career, it seems now the drivers getting good rides are barely teenagers. I didn't come from a racing family and did it all from the ground up. Most racers that "make it" seem to have a huge advantage as they come from years of racing families. I feel quite luckey and blessed to have gotten as far as I did.

Although far from being famous I believe I am well known in the oval racing community. I still ocaisionally get the question: "Didn't I see you race at...". I also hosted a racing talk show on a small local station for about 10 years.

So, no not an expert but I do consider myself to have paid my dues and picked up some knowledge along the way.



DR



Truly a top notch effort to rally up some nut swingers, but it doesnt look like it will pan out though. A pat on the back from this community must be earned. Simply posting your " Professional resume" and calling everyone else a "hobbyist" wont cut it.

[Johnson1134]

Truly a top notch effort to rally up some nut swingers, but it doesnt look like it will pan out though. A pat on the back from this community must be earned. Simply posting your " Professional resume" and calling everyone else a "hobbyist" wont cut it.

couldnt agree with ya more.

[gouldstang]

inquiring minds want to know who DR is.... my Dad ran ARCA back in the day..

[orangedemon331]

Wow, so now we are transplanting NASCAR engines into Drag cars! This should be funny to watch, sounds like a nice way to wast alot of money trying to achieve a pretty simple goal! If i had money to waste i would do the same thing, but i want to go faster than 10.00!! :lol:

[k062693w]

WOW !!! Looks like he was the top in his field ... NOT !!! I'm not taking away his E for effort, But even his own site doesn't show all these accomplishments he has mentioned ???

http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/renner/

[jack90gt]

Holy crap.....I cant wait till summer so my ride will be done and i can kick some ass with my 13 sec ride.....

[93RedNotch]

It will be on the road monday.

:bigthumb: see ya on the road kevin....

[Walter]

WOW !!! Looks like he was the top in his field ... NOT !!! I'm not taking away his E for effort, But even his own site doesn't show all these accomplishments he has mentioned ???

http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/renner/

Def cant knock his accoplishments or experience, it is pretty cool actually. But his posts while diplomatic, have a smug almost high horse feel to it. Maybe its just me. Im usually wrong according to my wife. :lol:

[juiced]

will racer x bring that bitch to middletown and race from a dig?

[Black Horse]

Racer X....from Queen City Speedway Days??

[Kevin1989]

:bigthumb: see ya on the road kevin....

i dunno if ill be out at all this week chester. i have to put a starter in, and im going to be working late all week.:mad:

[Sharad]

Wow, so now we are transplanting NASCAR engines into Drag cars! This should be funny to watch, sounds like a nice way to wast alot of money trying to achieve a pretty simple goal! If i had money to waste i would do the same thing, but i want to go faster than 10.00!! :lol:

Don Bowles, Roush Drag Racing. Just sayin'. ;)

[03z06vette]

:flipoff::flipoff::flipoff::flipoff::flipoff::flip off::flipoff:

Ill see all your fackers at the track. Then I will continue my shit talk. Say what ya want....Im done acting like i give two shits what you think!!!:bigthumb


Wow, so now we are transplanting NASCAR engines into Drag cars! This should be funny to watch, sounds like a nice way to wast alot of money trying to achieve a pretty simple goal! If i had money to waste i would do the same thing, but i want to go faster than 10.00!! :lol:

[03z06vette]

most yates heads are c3's..lmao


so which c3's? just plain 40cc c3's the c3l's. c35's or c3h's? :HYF:

I have said like 3 fucking times they are just c3.....48cc fully ported and polished. Ive also posted the flow #s and valve sizes. any of you guys heads flowing like mine?????? Didnt think so :flipoff:

[Gearhead559]

I wasn't running my mouth. I just wanted to know how your little motor was going to make that kind of na power. Your the one who opened this thread to run your mouth.

Your just sad because these guys like me know if your set up would make that power and work good in drag racing many others would have it

oh dont get me wrong, nascar heads have made some killer power in drag cars. but if your going to spend 5k or more on a set of used heads, most just go buy new and have them built for there motor. i had some roush yates heads on a motor way back when they first started selling used nascar stuff. a 398ci motor with a set of c3's made over 800hp on a engine dyno. and that was with a 4150 carb base, with a dommy adapter on top of it. back then no one made a dommy intake for yates heads. i got another intake and had it cut up and reworked to fit a dommy pad on it. when it was all said and done tho, it was closer to 900hp on motor. yes we sprayed on top of that too. but i hated changing valve springs every few pass's.:(. so yes, used nascar parts will work fine in drag racing, when packaged together correctly. ;)

[Gearhead559]

I have said like 3 fucking times they are just c3.....48cc fully ported and polished. Ive also posted the flow #s and valve sizes. any of you guys heads flowing like mine?????? Didnt think so :flipoff:

funny i went back thru this thread and dont see a flow chart anywhere :confused:

and metcalf's kaase heads, flow 400cfm out of the box. and if they have been worked by the evans boys, closer to 450 plus range.. now what was you saying about flow numbers :lol:

[03z06vette]

Like i said Im done with all you fuckers. when its done ill update my build thread and start getting back on here. Just to spank some ass. So long.

:flipoff:

[orangedemon331]

Don Bowles, Roush Drag Racing. Just sayin'. ;)


Im just sayin we will watch and see!

[orangedemon331]

Like i said Im done with all you fuckers. when its done ill update my build thread and start getting back on here. Just to spank some ass. So long.

:flipoff:

You better come with a BIG turbo if you plan to do any spanking around here!

[jack90gt]

Well let me know when you get it done as i will drive down to check it out and buy some beers......

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hey for the record, i've always wanted to put a stock car engine in a street car. Seriously. I'd only de-tune it as little as i had to to make it streetable, and i'd back it up with a T56 and 4.10s. I think it'd be awesome.

[jack90gt]

Hey for the record, i've always wanted to put a stock car engine in a street car. Seriously. I'd only de-tune it as little as i had to to make it streetable, and i'd back it up with a T56 and 4.10s. I think it'd be awesome.

Hell yeah that would be awsome.....but it would still make you shit yourself if need be.....:lol:

[5.0calypso93lx]

I guess I just like typing satire on occaision. Helps keeps the troops stirred up. :)

OK, what Tom said.








DR

Have I seen your car over off of 42 and butler warren at that mulch place?

[dawsin94cobra]

my 306 will spank all your candy ass!!! beat that beyachezz, seriousley who gives a flying fuck what he wants to do for gods sake im not even gonna put up a build thread because of all this bs., but for real my car will be the fastest car on here bar none. i will only say its super secret tehehehehe

[SN95N/A]

fastest car on here?really?!..u must of drank to many beers during bengals game and its getting to your head.

[dawsin94cobra]

fastest car on here?really?!..u must of drank to many beers during bengals game and its getting to your head.

i am jokeing because all of this arguing is fuckin dumb :HYF:

[SN95N/A]

good luck on ur build man alot of people make shitty comments about peoples car on here constantly now,get it done and go have fun at the track.

[Metcalf Racing]

good luck on ur build man alot of people make shitty comments about peoples car on here constantly now,get it done and go have fun at the track.
Man you can't be serious. He started this thread thinking everyone would laugh at me and suck him off. And when guys said man that might not be as fast as you think he started crying saying he was done with this thread. Lmao!!!

[Metcalf Racing]

You better come with a BIG turbo if you plan to do any spanking around here! Big Turbo!!! Lol

[dawsin94cobra]

Your all going down!! My sbf owns!! Hahahahhahahaha

[SN95N/A]

deffinately not out running metcalf that car is sick as hell!

[dawsin94cobra]

Yea Hu!!! Everyone is going down

[Metcalf Racing]

Its easy to talk. I just told everyone on here what I have and haven't told anyone they are going down. But when my car is done in about a month. Look out :)

[dawsin94cobra]

Yea Hu!!! Everyone is going down

[mustang8998]

Like i said Im done with all you fuckers. when its done ill update my build thread and start getting back on here. Just to spank some ass. So long.

:flipoff:

Classy move.

Start a thread and then run like a little baby, because it doesn't go your way.

[dawsin94cobra]

Dude all you guys are going down I'm tellin you my super duper 306 will smash you all!!! This place is going Down Hilllllllllll but I love arguing ;)))$

[jack90gt]

Dude all you guys are going down I'm tellin you my super duper 306 will smash you all!!! This place is going Down Hilllllllllll but I love arguing ;)))$

Hey i have a little junk 302 and would be interested in a little race in the summer...:bigthumb

[dawsin94cobra]

Dude I am totally making fun of all this stupid shit.. I'm shooting for 7's with a 3 stage 500 shot

[jack90gt]

Haha i find humor in it too but i only got 8s out of mine on 4 stages....Damn stock block just wont give up.....

[dawsin94cobra]

I'm not ben gonna make a build thread because of all this

[Metcalf Racing]

Why. Your brother started a build thread then said never mind selling the car. then said look at my sweet engine that I'm not going to tell you my secrets but its going to make 800hp. I said how and you guys cry this site is going down hill.

You guys are lame bad

[jack90gt]

haha.....Man this is what i look forward too.....

[dawsin94cobra]

^ lol I know right? my 306 ftw!!! Goin down!!

[draggin50]

I was curious myself about the build... I think there is decent power to be made and would like to see and hear more about it. If everyone kissed everyones ass on here it would be boring as hell! But to start a thread about one person then get pissed and leave??? Oh well Im sure there will be something different next week to get attention!!!

['92Stang]

Best racing...street and track.

:bigthumb



DISCUSS!!
Instigated.

post your trash talk here not my build thread....
Invited.

Like i said Im done with all you fuckers. when its done ill update my build thread and start getting back on here. Just to spank some ass. So long.

:flipoff:

Now your runnin' off...:confused: Good luck on the build. Hope you get your #'s.

[Timido]

One thing I have found is there is allways someone faster than me.



And I dont like french people

[dawsin94cobra]

dude tri charged with a shot.. gt500 on its way

[draggin50]

dude tri charged with a shot.. gt500 on its way

English???

[Metcalf Racing]

So you know people think your an idiot right?

[Metcalf Racing]

Childish

[jack90gt]

Wow man i love this site....I go to the bathroom and there is 20 more posts to read.....I f'n love it.....

[k062693w]

Like i said Im done with all you fuckers. when its done ill update my build thread and start getting back on here. Just to spank some ass. So long.

:flipoff:


Classy move.

Start a thread and then run like a little baby, because it doesn't go your way.

Kind of like this ???

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii55/simpson316/myball.jpg

LMFAO !!!

[jack90gt]

One thing I have found is there is allways someone faster than me.



And I dont like french people

This is true.....No matter how hard i try somebody always beats me.....I dont like french people either....:D

[jack90gt]

Kind of like this ???

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii55/simpson316/myball.jpg

LMFAO !!!

:lol::lol::lol: thats the shit right there....

[dawsin94cobra]

So you know people think your an idiot right?

lol who cares what people think? a i couldn't give a shitttttt!! :D and who cares lol ima do what i want!!

[dawsin94cobra]

English???

i just ordered my tri charged 2011 gt500.. shits going down

[jack90gt]

i just ordered my tri charged 2011 gt500.. shits going down

WOW i think i just SHAT myself....Guess i am gonna have to step up to 6 kits then.....Hope it stays together......:lol:

[dawsin94cobra]

WOW i think i just SHAT myself....Guess i am gonna have to step up to 6 kits then.....Hope it stays together......:lol:

were having too much fun with this lol

[jack90gt]

haha yeah....Shit you ever see 3 direct port kits and 3 nozzle kits on a stock block heads intake everything......LMAO

[mustang8998]

Kind of like this ???

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii55/simpson316/myball.jpg

LMFAO !!!

Yeah, but with smaller balls! :eek:

[jack90gt]

Wow thats harsh......Def below the belt.....lol