Avoid at all Cost! PRECISION AUTOSPORTS

[SN95N/A]

Thats badass boat sounds killer

[flyin2jz]

Kevin, if you think your helping, I can assure you that you aren't.

I just want to be able to read the list. I paid 3200 bux to have my motor done without blue printing anything. The number isn't crazy high if the list is as long as it looks. You of all people know how expensive fittings are for a fuel system alone. I'm not trying to stick up solely for Jeff. Maybe the list is just really itemized. Oh and I paid 500 bux once to a tuner for him to give me 1rwhp over my timing and fuel pressure tune I brought it in with. I wasn't happy but didn't bash the shop.

[sickboy]

Okay Cory, I'm going to try not to be a defensive asshole about this. Which anyone who knows me knows that's tough for me..but think about this. We had the hours invested and genuinely spent working on your car. Now I can understand the estimate, read "estimate" not "quote" that you got was far different from the bill you received. That being said in a dealership or general repair shop world, which I have spent many years in, uses a flat rate system that directly dictates what you pay for a given repair. So if the book calls for 1.3 hours to replace an alternator and it takes the technician.0.9 hours to do the job, you pay the 1.3 regardless.. we had and billed actual hours. Could it be done faster? Maybe ...by you, Finishline, Cincy Speed, your cousin Joe ....whatever. But people who pay the flat rate bills are pissed that when they get the bill for 1.3 and the tech spent 0.9 to fix. We don't affoard the luxury, there is no flat rate for building something from a pile of parts and making it work and work perfect. From our aspect we spent the time and effort to get the car where it is. You elected to negotiate what you felt was fair, we parted ways and that was that. The $3200 you didn't pay didn't come out my check or Shaun's ..it came out of Jeff's pocket. So basically two weeks pay for two employees spent and not recouped. Now I understand this isn't your problem or your fault. But there isn't a flat rate guide for labor on anything we do so the best you can expect is a best guess scenario. We are not dishonest people, If we were we would be lawyers or politicians. We are car guys trying to make a living doing what we love. And you know first hand that the money we make goes right back into that lifestyle. We are not getting rich screwing people believe me! Your whole situation has made us reevaluate our practice. The next project like yours that shows up in boxes will be, and have been turned away. Nothing against you or you car but they always turn out to Ben a loser for the shop and the owner. Try getting a dealership or independent garage to take on such a project, they won't touch it. So in conclusion it sucks we couldn't make you a happy and dedicated customer like Kevin, Eddie, Charlie, Steve, Brandon, Paul, Scott or countless others we have had the pleasure of working with in our 7 year history but it is what it is. And maybe it wasn't mean to be.

[sickboy]

And please don't question my grammar again I'm on my phone.

[swt99svt]

And please don't question my grammar again I'm on my phone.

Chad,

I appreciate a response that was not emotionally charged. I'm sure you spent some time talking this over with Jeff and I can see that represented in your response and I respect that you removed the emotion and stuck to a factual response. That I have great respect for. Jeff and I discussed, in detail, much of my personal experience. I hope he can use it to strengthen his business going forward. I'm a businessman. I'm responsible for many employees, a sizable budget, and a large volume of sales. I get improving business, process, and people through experience.

Please take this as constructive criticism and me not coming down on you... Everything in your response was good with the exception of your conclusion.

What do I draw from that? Hey, we've made lots of people happy and this is who they are and you know what, you had a bad experience and that sucks for you buddy. Too bad and fuck you.

Again, please take it as constructive criticism because you had me at hello and lost be at goodbye.

The point of me making this thread was to share my personal experience. Others can do what they want with the information. You, Jeff, Chris and PA will do what you can with the situation and I hope you are able to improve your process to avoid future instances, big or small.

[sickboy]

Dude you think I'm emotional on the web you should see me on race day! LOL! And that was by no means a fuck you....I'm just saying I respect your option and choice to pursue a different shop to fulfill your needs.

[flyin2jz]

Yea the sad part is that Jeff the owner is the one getting the bill. He's gonna pay his employees most likely not paying himself to come to an agreement on the price. Try negotiating the price with another shop after the works been done. My question is did he tell you as u went it was going over budget. This is a big deal in this situation. I am sorry for bashing u at the beginning o this thread. I'm man enough to tell you that I was wrong. Jeff is like family to a lot of us guys and he has given his time and help to all o us defending him without paying him a dime. He is a great guy and seeing your buddy get beat down just hits me wrong. I'm sorry for what you feel was wrong. It's easy to come down on him when u don't know him like we do. He has tuned my car countless times and asked for nothing. I assure u if u get to know Jeff he is not a guy trying to take u for money. I have to force him to take money almost every time he does something for me. And guys like Eddie and Charlie know this. He lets us store our cars there sometimes. This can be worked out. Problem is Jeff is out a lot of money. He's not a big operation and that hurts a business as u know being a business person. Once again I'm sorry for being a douche bag

[swt99svt]

Yea the sad part is that Jeff the owner is the one getting the bill. He's gonna pay his employees most likely not paying himself to come to an agreement on the price. Try negotiating the price with another shop after the works been done. My question is did he tell you as u went it was going over budget. This is a big deal in this situation. I am sorry for bashing u at the beginning o this thread. I'm man enough to tell you that I was wrong. Jeff is like family to a lot of us guys and he has given his time and help to all o us defending him without paying him a dime. He is a great guy and seeing your buddy get beat down just hits me wrong. I'm sorry for what you feel was wrong. It's easy to come down on him when u don't know him like we do. He has tuned my car countless times and asked for nothing. I assure u if u get to know Jeff he is not a guy trying to take u for money. I have to force him to take money almost every time he does something for me. And guys like Eddie and Charlie know this. He lets us store our cars there sometimes. This can be worked out. Problem is Jeff is out a lot of money. He's not a big operation and that hurts a business as u know being a business person. Once again I'm sorry for being a douche bag

dude read the responses. I've taken the time to reply to each of your questions. no, he had no clue. no, there was no communication. there was no communication because he didn't know. however, I had the pleasure of being the recipient of the news once he found out. he was as happy as I was. see the issue?

[bkstang95]

Badass Sunsation! I wish i could magically make my cluster fuck of a mustang turn into one of those or a Fountain! :lol:

[flyin2jz]

Yea I see the problem. I woulda wanted to be updated. I went thru the same thing with haing my engine put together. The estimate was way lower. The problem is I brought them a 5k alum block so tey assumed the budget was unlimited. Everyone has a budget. Everyone has a budget.

[swt99svt]

Yea I see the problem. I woulda wanted to be updated. I went thru the same thing with haing my engine put together. The estimate was way lower. The problem is I brought them a 5k alum block so tey assumed the budget was unlimited. Everyone has a budget. Everyone has a budget.

Haha... hmmm so seems some more details are coming to light in your story!

5k aluminum short block or bare block? I mean I had a teksid block but it was what was in the car and need to be gutted and machined.

as always, there is more to the story. just because you had a higher quality block doesn't mean you should have been charged more. now i feel like you were taken advantage of. should we start another thread for that? :cool1:

[qwk93ta]

I've had one heck of a year of shit with shop experiences with my car. I did this as a last gift to myself since I just had my first daughter. That "gift" got shot to hell and the good Lord showed me that the only gift I needed to focus on was my daughter.

30k over the course of these experiences would have been an awesome fund for her in a 529 18yrs from now. Thank goodness the rest of the disposable income I had was locked up and put away for her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CXViuVD58

I feel your pain....I've built two f-bodies for a total cost of over $50k and I wish I would have put that money away for my daughter's college. She is 19 and I'm doing my best to pay for it out of my pocket now so she does not have any student loans.

I think everyone has had build issues if they have been racing long enough. A few years ago I had a local mechanic install a LS6 intake on my 2000 T/A, on the drive home from his shop my motor started to knock. He was not willing to really do anything for me. So, I had someone else tear the motor down and he found an injector clip in a cylinder which cracked a piston. I had to sell my jet ski to pay for a new motor....once the new motor and trans went into my car I sold it, lost interest in racing. Now I have a prestine low mileage 95 GT that sits in my garage collecting dust. I don't plan on racing it. Good luck with your car!

[Dirtyd0g]

The next project like yours that shows up in boxes will be, and have been turned away. Nothing against you or you car but they always turn out to Ben a loser for the shop and the owner. Try getting a dealership or independent garage to take on such a project, they won't touch it. .

Amen, I deal with this often people think the job is easier because they did half the work and took it apart, man is that thinking way wrong. I have gotten myself into a few of them and it never ends happily ever after for everyone. I had an svo here for 2 years, when all was said and done and they finally got me everything I needed I feel like I lost a fortune on it.
Alan

[flyin2jz]

Haha... hmmm so seems some more details are coming to light in your story!

5k aluminum short block or bare block? I mean I had a teksid block but it was what was in the car and need to be gutted and machined.

as always, there is more to the story. just because you had a higher quality block doesn't mean you should have been charged more. now i feel like you were taken advantage of. should we start another thread for that? :cool1:

Bare block. I think they thought I had money and charged me a bit more.

[Rick93coupe]

Bare block. I think they thought I had money and charged me a bit more.

I thought George built your short block?

[flyin2jz]

He did. I had to buy the pistons and all the bearings on top of that price and it needed custom pistons because he didn't want to go 4.125 on it. Said if I needed a rebore it would cost me 120 bux a hole for new sleeves plus installing the sleeves. I had no money for that action back then so I got scared off. Oh and 10.2:1 and runs on 89. Lol. I made a lot of mistakes an lost power and paid too much. Lol

[flyin2jz]

I have friends in lowish places and had no money so I really got the hammer. Lol

[Rick93coupe]

He did. I had to buy the pistons and all the bearings on top of that price and it needed custom pistons because he didn't want to go 4.125 on it. Said if I needed a rebore it would cost me 120 bux a hole for new sleeves plus installing the sleeves. I had no money for that action back then so I got scared off. Oh and 10.2:1 and runs on 89. Lol. I made a lot of mistakes an lost power and paid too much. Lol

Just clarifying, it sounded like you were saying Precision built it and over charged you.

[swt99svt]

Badass Sunsation! I wish i could magically make my cluster fuck of a mustang turn into one of those or a Fountain! :lol:

Thanks, man! Spent three years searching for just the right boat. To me, fountains are like Camaros :D. Dime a dozen and you see them everywhere!

My issue, I have a keen sense for business but don't have the background to build my own cars. I wish I did.

I'd love to win the lottery, run the Poker Run circuit with a F4 and an International NXT, build my dream house with an out building and car lifts, and take an amazing class on how to build motors, rebuild cars, and spray my own paint. Now that would be living!

[flyin2jz]

You can learn to work on your own stuff. Just make some friends on here that have the same model car. Most of us will always come lend a hand or show u how to do something. As the fox gets older lots of guys are going to newer cars. Yea Montgomery did my motor.

[bbford]

You can learn to work on your own stuff. Just make some friends on here that have the same model car. Most of us will always come lend a hand or show u how to do something. As the fox gets older lots of guys are going to newer cars. Yea Montgomery did my motor.

You should have just put a middletown STOCK ls1 in it lol

[flyin2jz]

Yea if my motor goes it will have a new ls motor in it. I could have done it cheaper an made more power. I've seen gto motors put down 460rwhp with just a cam swap. That's not that much less than what I make. Sounds like in the time it took to get the work done you coulda completed it yourself. Sometimes you just have to dive in and look at some YouTube vids. You aren't a dumb guy I can tell from your grammar. Best of luck an sorry it didn't work out with Jeff. I assure u that if you go back to Jeff's shop he will make good on any wrongs. That's just the type guy he is.

[bbford]

Yea if my motor goes it will have a new ls motor in it. I could have done it cheaper an made more power. I've seen gto motors put down 460rwhp with just a cam swap. That's not that much less than what I make. Sounds like in the time it took to get the work done you coulda completed it yourself. Sometimes you just have to dive in and look at some YouTube vids. You aren't a dumb guy I can tell from your grammar. Best of luck an sorry it didn't work out with Jeff. I assure u that if you go back to Jeff's shop he will make good on any wrongs. That's just the type guy he is.

My trans am only made around 300 to the tires but you did make me run it pretty hard against nelly:bigthumb

[flyin2jz]

That shot ain't funny I go beat up on that night. The friends I met that night were worth way more than the beatdown I took. I was still just about yanking the hoops on the street.

[flyin2jz]

300 rwhp my ass. At 4800rpms maybe. My car made 363rwhp with a 302 and I got played with. Lol

[swt99svt]

Yea if my motor goes it will have a new ls motor in it. I could have done it cheaper an made more power. I've seen gto motors put down 460rwhp with just a cam swap. That's not that much less than what I make. Sounds like in the time it took to get the work done you coulda completed it yourself. Sometimes you just have to dive in and look at some YouTube vids. You aren't a dumb guy I can tell from your grammar. Best of luck an sorry it didn't work out with Jeff. I assure u that if you go back to Jeff's shop he will make good on any wrongs. That's just the type guy he is.

Thanks and it's all good. I tore the motor down with the expectation of just swapping some HGs but as I looked at the long block I thought the right thing was to take it all the way. Good thing too because it needed the machine work. Neverless, setting rings, degreeing in a cam, torquing to spec all the misc parts, and doing something for the first time with nearly $14k in parts wasn't worth taking on for the first time.

Give me a 302 and I wouldn't might slapping it together for my first motor. But taking on a 4v for my first motor build would have been sheer ignorance. I did what I thought was right.

[Whyucryn]

Lol. You only got beat by a fender!

[flyin2jz]

U did the right thing. I know nothing about those motors but could take a cam out of a fox in 40 minutes. Lol. Hope all goes well. Give Jeff a chance on this. You will thank me I. The end.

[flyin2jz]

Lol rob. Every time. I have a feeling it could have been a football field. I wouldn't change that night for anything brother.

[evil8]

Bonestock LS1 for Nelly.......Hell Yeah!

[Whyucryn]

Just not a LS1 with custom ventilation like this guys ^^^^

[Blowpastyou]

Kevin I think your calculations on cam swap are off just a touch.

-drain coolant, remove water pump, pull distributor, and front cover= 30 minutes
-3 YouTube vids, lots of dip, some cursing, a bottle jack, a 2x4 to remove the Lower intake=3 additional days!

Sorry, had to do it! Great stuf ttfmf!

[mustang8998]

Kevin I think your calculations on cam swap are off just a touch.

-drain coolant, remove water pump, pull distributor, and front cover= 30 minutes
-3 YouTube vids, lots of dip, some cursing, a bottle jack, a 2x4 to remove the Lower intake=3 additional days!

Sorry, had to do it! Great stuf ttfmf!

You beat me to it!


:lol:

[Blowpastyou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2TiN0KguUU

[Steves LX]

A little bit of language.

http://youtu.be/nrKvXAbep2E

[flyin2jz]

Right stuff sucks balls. It's perfect if u never want the two parts to come apart. Lol. I will never use that stuff again. I use magnetic tappet tools thru the pushrod holes to hold the lifters up without removing the lower intake. I assure u I can have my cam out and in my hand in under an hour. I've timed it before. Petcock bleed water. Valve covers loosen rockers and the 10 or so bolts for the front cover.

[flyin2jz]

I triple dog dare someone to use right stuff on their intake. At the point u need a long chisel between the block and the intake to split it that sucks. Especially with an alum block I was sure it was gonna mess up the china wall.

[evil8]

Will Right Stuff fix this??

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh152/evil8/LSxVentedBlockTechnology.jpg

[flyin2jz]

If u have the piece to put back in there I bet it would. The stuff would be awesome for something u never want to take apart again. Transmission shops use it because they don't want to use a gasket. As soon as u put the parts together you can fill it with fluid. I've done at least 40 intakes in my life and just grab the waterpump housing and break it loose. I've never jacked up my car on the intake before. Lol. I coulda got the wheels off the ground but I was affraid to do it on camera because I didn't want the break my intake proving a point. Too much money in porting the super victor to take a chance.

[facemelter71]

JB weld that hole.

Shit'll buff!

[Galaxie]

Right stuff all the way here .