2009 Dirty Dozen...SUGGESTIONS!

[mcat]

Im 6 feet tall.

Thanks for your suggestion.

[MFIELD]

Craig and other mods why the hell are you putting up with this? close this thread and keep the rules the way they are. If I were a new member and read all this pissing and moaning I wouldnt be back.

[kennebellcobra]

Craig and other mods why the hell are you putting up with this? close this thread and keep the rules the way they are. If I were a new member and read all this pissing and moaning I wouldnt be back.

I'm with Mike...keep the same rules...define broke and move on.

[Maximus]

Craig and other mods why the hell are you putting up with this? close this thread and keep the rules the way they are. If I were a new member and read all this pissing and moaning I wouldnt be back.

I'm with Mike...keep the same rules...define broke and move on.

I hear ya.
It seems like the only issue we have is the "Broke" rule so we will concentrate on that.

Mike & Shannon, as DD members, I would like see both of your definitions/opinon of Broke.

[JASON408]

This only becomes a issue at the end of the year , plugs ,gas ,oil and gaskets for the most part are maitance as far as broke goes that get real tricky and the mods are going to have to judge that . I think if it needs to be replaced to race then its broke . And if you say i dont need to fix it to race than its not . Now you will always get some people that say i can race it like that .if they can so be it as long as they never take it off to fix it then it is not broke.threw the year this is not that big of a deal fix it and re run /

[fasthawk]

i agree !!
and fasthawk there is no way i could be on any of these list ,i push my junk to hard , they couldnt keep up with the broke / fixed list .. hell my head gasket issue's alone would drive them nuts..
it seems the powers to be on this board get off more on telling people what they can/can't do than anything else here
my suggestion is dont let the moderaters act like they are 5 feet tall , and over moderate

this is a family web site.broke means anything that has to be fixed or replaced.anything that is fast is going to break something.if a car can run the # and back it up with more than 1 pass # should be good. some one should not be penalized for racing and abuseing there car all summer.just 1 more thing then, since i did not get a answer to my orginal ? i assume that this is a run what brung & hope you brought enough class.

[MFIELD]

My definition of broke is not being able to safely run the way it is. If you change things throughout the year to go faster than your times should come down and be updated. I was at E2O the day Silverbullet put his car on the bumper (twice) and also seen it run after that so I dont consider that broke. No he did not run as fast after that but that was because of traction not being broke, I also seen Jimsvt run that day and he also had a problem with a brake line I believe, that is not broke.

Broke is working on your car because you have to not because your checking things out to make sure everything is safe and ready to race. If a head gasget is blown and your dumping water into the cylinder your broke. If its seeping outside, sorry Rob, your broke. Changing a head gasget is very easy for about anyone here and if thats all the problem then it shouldnt be a problem to rerun your number. Safety should always be considered. How would anyboby feel if a guy was doing all this for a sticker and got hurt bad or worse. Just post it up and be honest. I think there will be alot less complaining if everyone doesnt think guys are keeping secrets to stay on the list.

[MFIELD]

fasthawk, go to the original rules for the dozen and they are spelled out. The cars should fit into the rules and the members should participate at events. Simple, its all about getting guys together and having FUN.

[Maximus]

as far as broke goes that get real tricky and the mods are going to have to judge that . /

I would rather leave it up to the DD current members to make the call. A self-policing if you will.

this is a family web site.broke means anything that has to be fixed or replaced.anything that is fast is going to break something.if a car can run the # and back it up with more than 1 pass # should be good. some one should not be penalized for racing and abuseing there car all summer.just 1 more thing then, since i did not get a answer to my orginal ? i assume that this is a run what brung & hope you brought enough class.

Run what ya brung.

[fasthawk]

I would rather leave it up to the DD current members to make the call. A self-policing if you will.



Run what ya brung.

took 3 days to get the answer but i finally got it

[Maximus]

took 3 days to get the answer but i finally got it

Pssst, The answer is, always has been, in the original rules on the first page of the Dirty Dozen.

[fasthawk]

the first rule must not count because i can think of a few that do not fit that rule

[Maximus]

the first rule must not count because i can think of a few that do not fit that rule

1. Silver Bullet 8.85@155.95
2. JIMSSVT 8.93@153.3
3. Jason408 9.36@143.57
4. MFOSS 9.60@139.9
5. kennebellecobra 9.641@139.81
6. Jeff88coupe 9.92@136
7. outlaw85 10.22@131
8. Chad393na 10.46@133.94
9. 95turbocharged 10.620@124.98
10. bbfstanger 10.766@124.44
11. bkstang95 10.782@131.59
12. MFIELD 10.890@134.29

There is the list. Let us all know what you are talking about.

[fasthawk]

i am not going to rat anyone out but they no who they are.

[Maximus]

i am not going to rat anyone out but they know who they are.

so why did you bring it up? Im sure the rest of the Dozen would like to know if they have a Lying member on the list.

[k062693w]

i am not going to rat anyone out but they no who they are.

Wouldn't want to do that, The Mafia might come knock you off!!!

[k062693w]

OK!!! This is my personal take on the BROKE discussion..
It's kind of long, So bear with me...
Here is my suggestion.

BROKE_________________________________________
Break or need to repair/replace any of the following...

1.Block
2.Crank
3.Rod
4.Piston
5.Cam
6.Valve
7.Lifter
.Pushrod
9.Head
10.Any Bearing ie.Cam,Rod,Main,etc.
11.Basically any Internal Engine part


Here is what I consider not broke,I'll give a brief description as to why I think this..


NOT BROKE________________________________________

1.Break a Tranny, ie Clutch,Converter, Basically F'UP a Trans.. ( as long as you replace it with the same type trans, ie. an AOD with an AOD, Stick with a Stick, Etc.. NO change from Auto to Stick, C4 to Glide, Etc.. Or your BROKE)
2.Break an Axle or Rear End (Easy fix, and give a limit of say 10-14 days to make another pass.. Change Gear Ratio = Broke)
3.Head Gasket (Easy fix again)
4.Blown Intake
5.Burn a Plug
6.Blow a Belt
7.Blow a Hose
8.Radiator

I could keep going, But I think most will see my point.. I know some will instantly put down some of these ideas, But remember these are just my OPINIONS and I think it would be much better for any comments to be directed at suggestions/additions/deletions along these lines..

I think if we try to make the broke rule too simple it will create more drama..
Again just my opinion... But if we go with a "IF YOU CAN'T DRIVE IT HOME YOUR BROKE RULE" The problem could be for example is, BillyBob's alternator went out and he can't drive it home, So he is Broke!!!
Where some people may have the skills to look at changing a broke axle as easy, And do it just as fast.. So where do you draw the line ???
Again just my $.02

[331TwistedWedge]

this officially has more rules than the nmra "rulebook"

were going to have rules..............

4.a
4.b
4.c
4.1a
4.2a

this thread is amazing ... you would think there is a $1,000,000 purse at stake ...

[Rick93coupe]

OK!!! This is my personal take on the BROKE discussion..
It's kind of long, So bear with me...
Here is my suggestion.

BROKE_________________________________________
Break or need to repair/replace any of the following...

1.Block
2.Crank
3.Rod
4.Piston
5.Cam
6.Valve
7.Lifter
.Pushrod
9.Head
10.Any Bearing ie.Cam,Rod,Main,etc.
11.Basically any Internal Engine part


Here is what I consider not broke,I'll give a brief description as to why I think this..


NOT BROKE________________________________________

1.Break a Tranny, ie Clutch,Converter, Basically F'UP a Trans.. ( as long as you replace it with the same type trans, ie. an AOD with an AOD, Stick with a Stick, Etc.. NO change from Auto to Stick, C4 to Glide, Etc.. Or your BROKE)
2.Break an Axle or Rear End (Easy fix, and give a limit of say 10-14 days to make another pass.. Change Gear Ratio = Broke)
3.Head Gasket (Easy fix again)
4.Blown Intake
5.Burn a Plug
6.Blow a Belt
7.Blow a Hose
8.Radiator

I could keep going, But I think most will see my point.. I know some will instantly put down some of these ideas, But remember these are just my OPINIONS and I think it would be much better for any comments to be directed at suggestions/additions/deletions along these lines..

I think if we try to make the broke rule too simple it will create more drama..
Again just my opinion... But if we go with a "IF YOU CAN'T DRIVE IT HOME YOUR BROKE RULE" The problem could be for example is, BillyBob's alternator went out and he can't drive it home, So he is Broke!!!
Where some people may have the skills to look at changing a broke axle as easy, And do it just as fast.. So where do you draw the line ???
Again just my $.02

Yes I totally agree, you lunch your transmission and it's definitely not broke, you loose an axle at the track and the car is perfectly fine. hahaha



Trying to define broken is obviously going to be a struggle. This is exactly why you cant pop your hood in true street. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here because its obvious that no one agrees with me on it, but you can probably all now recognize why it is the way it is. When you let everyone determine what is broken to themselves, you'll always find people serving their own interests.

[Timido]

this officially has more rules than the nmra "rulebook"

were going to have rules..............

4.a Min weight
4.b CID pump the engine
4.c Tear downs
4.1a Fuel sample from fuel sample valve
4.2a Must be within the "intent of the rules"

this thread is amazing ... you would think there is a $1,000,000 purse at stake ...

I agree Keep It Simple Stupid!